Interesting morning at church today

[cto]

I am chairman of the Board of Trustees at my church, and this morning at 8 a.m. was the board's monthly meeting. Before the meeting began, every member of the Board started to ask me questions about "the Syracuse situation." So the first item of business was my "elevator speech" on the subject. These are all intelligent and sophisticated people, but none of them knew that the allegations had been thoroughly investigated by SU, ESPN and the Syracuse newspaper six-eight years ago (as was spelled out in SU's statement). Then, three hours later, I was bombarded with the same questions (by different people) at the coffee hour after the 10 a.m. service.

This experience showed me two things: 1) The whole nation seems to know about the allegations (these were Connecticut residents who are not necessarily sports fans); and 2) People know about the allegations, but not about the the investigative history regarding them. I suspect this represents a microcosm of America.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

I am chairman of the Board of Trustees at my church, and this morning at 8 a.m. was the board's monthly meeting. Before the meeting began, every member of the Board started to ask me questions about "the Syracuse situation." So the first item of business was my "elevator speech" on the subject. These are all intelligent and sophisticated people, but none of them knew that the allegations had been thoroughly investigated by SU, ESPN and the Syracuse newspaper six-eight years ago. Then, three hours later, I was bombarded with the same questions (by different people) at the coffee hour after the 10 a.m. service.

This experience showed me two things: 1) The whole nation seems to know about the allegations (these were Connecticut residents who are not necessarily sports fans); and 2) People know about the allegations, but not about the the investigative history regarding them. I suspect this represents a microcosm of America.

Agree and I've been saying the same thing. Everyone knows about the allegations but nobody has heard about the three prior investigations that found no proof. Why? Because it has not been a priority for news outlets, especially ESPN, to devote more than an occasional quick mention of the history of the situation.

Both sad and frustrating, regardless of how things ultimately turn out.

 

[kingottoiii]

Well #2 is because of how ESPN has slanted the story. Case of media shaping opinion. Would love to get Schwarz to answer why he leaves that fact out.

 

[DoctorBombay]

Not surprising in the least.

"Details??? We don't need no stinkin' details"!! :bang:

 

[SUintheVille]

I am chairman of the Board of Trustees at my church, and this morning at 8 a.m. was the board's monthly meeting. Before the meeting began, every member of the Board started to ask me questions about "the Syracuse situation." So the first item of business was my "elevator speech" on the subject. These are all intelligent and sophisticated people, but none of them knew that the allegations had been thoroughly investigated by SU, ESPN and the Syracuse newspaper six-eight years ago. Then, three hours later, I was bombarded with the same questions (by different people) at the coffee hour after the 10 a.m. service.

This experience showed me two things: 1) The whole nation seems to know about the allegations (these were Connecticut residents who are not necessarily sports fans); and 2) People know about the allegations, but not about the the investigative history regarding them. I suspect this represents a microcosm of America.

Not surprising at all. I've been in Louisville for many years and have followed SU for many many years. I can't remember hearing about the investigations back then (in Louisville). Either my memory is shot, or outside of Central NY, there was little/no reporting of any of this at that time. So, again, not surprising at all. That's not good because it can lead folks to pass judgment or assume too quickly not knowing the history.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

The investigations back then were not made public were they? The allegations were investigated, could not be corroborated, so the general public never heard about them. Or am I missing something?

I'm curious, since there are a lot of posters on this this forum much more connected to the university and the athletics program than I am, if anyone here heard some buzzing about Bernie Fine and a sexual abuse investigation back in the 2003-2005 time period?

 

[jekelish]

It was mentioned briefly on the board after we won the title in 03, but faded quickly.

 

[RoysRunts]

Seem's like a better time to hear a sermon on the 9th Commandment.

 

[mountaincuse]

Off topic but on the church topic: we had a conference yesterday and apparently Floyd and a few people from the football staff were supposed to make an appearance but the university didn't want coaches going "off campus" because of all this.

 

[SWC75]

You won't hear that much about it in the national press when he's cleared, either.

 

[SU1]

I was at a toddler birthday party and scolded for wearing a Cuse hate... seriously?!? These bogus charges cannot go away soon enough, sad how the world is looking down on Cuse/Jimmy B...

 

[Stern]

You won't hear that much about it in the national press when he's cleared, either.

Totally agree. The damage has been done. Look at Richard Jewell from 1996 Olympics. Everyone thought he planted a bomb, that got all the coverage and everyone had him guilty and wanted him locked up for life! The fact that he was found 100% innocent in the matter and didn't do it got little coverage, almost none. Then the dude dropped dead at 44 years old.

Jewell also sued every media outlet and didn't make much if even a dime since most of the money went to his lawyers and taxes.

 

[dash-30-dash]

richard jewell's name became the name that people used when they thought someone was being railroaded. No one thought he did it after all the evidence came out. It is rare that someone can be "proven" not guilty.

 

[BleedsOrange44]

I am chairman of the Board of Trustees at my church, and this morning at 8 a.m. was the board's monthly meeting. Before the meeting began, every member of the Board started to ask me questions about "the Syracuse situation." So the first item of business was my "elevator speech" on the subject. These are all intelligent and sophisticated people, but none of them knew that the allegations had been thoroughly investigated by SU, ESPN and the Syracuse newspaper six-eight years ago (as was spelled out in SU's statement). Then, three hours later, I was bombarded with the same questions (by different people) at the coffee hour after the 10 a.m. service.

This experience showed me two things: 1) The whole nation seems to know about the allegations (these were Connecticut residents who are not necessarily sports fans); and 2) People know about the allegations, but not about the the investigative history regarding them. I suspect this represents a microcosm of America.

You hit the nail on the head of the main problem with ESPN's reporting. Since ESPN is taking the lead on this story, and they are the ones getting it out there and pushing the story non-stop it seems, their lack of continued mention of the fact that this was investigated THREE TIMES in the past by three separate entities, all of which found nothing, is not giving the public an accurate picture of the situation.

 

[SWC75]

Totally agree. The damage has been done. Look at Richard Jewell from 1996 Olympics. Everyone thought he planted a bomb, that got all the coverage and everyone had him guilty and wanted him locked up for life! The fact that he was found 100% innocent in the matter and didn't do it got little coverage, almost none. Then the dude dropped dead at 44 years old.

Jewell also sued every media outlet and didn't make much if even a dime since most of the money went to his lawyers and taxes.

Anybody remember this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial

 

[jekelish]

Anybody remember this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial

I remember true HBO movie based on that trial...

 

[A Clockwork Orange]

The investigations back then were not made public were they? The allegations were investigated, could not be corroborated, so the general public never heard about them. Or am I missing something?

I'm curious, since there are a lot of posters on this this forum much more connected to the university and the athletics program than I am, if anyone here heard some buzzing about Bernie Fine and a sexual abuse investigation back in the 2003-2005 time period?

Yes, I mentioned this the other day I was an EP at a Syracuse TV station and we knew about it.

 

[BlackKnight76]

I've been at the University of South Carolina since Friday visiting friends. Most people didn't seem to be aware of the investigations but a bunch said they thought the story sounded like BS coming on the tail of PSU.


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[RoysRunts]

richard jewell's name became the name that people used when they thought someone was being railroaded. No one thought he did it after all the evidence came out. It is rare that someone can be "proven" not guilty.

And that was Investigated by the FBI!

 

[RoysRunts]

And that was Investigated by the FBI!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Jewell

 

[cliftonparksufan]

Yes, I mentioned this the other day I was an EP at a Syracuse TV station and we knew about it.

Was it debated to go on air with it?

 

[bevosu]

I think the ESPN OTL stuff is embarrassingly bad "journalism".

I'm hoping Bernie is innocent and JB is spared any residual fallout.

But...I wonder how serious those three previous investigations were? Many times so called investigations are twisted or buried unless a true smoking gun is available.

I'm hoping those previous investigations were reasonably thorough and objective. No favoritism shown for accuser or accused.

If they were 'bury the story' investigations to avoid public embarrassment...on the part of the University and the Post Standard...and possibly the SPD...I fear the possible consequences of a potential cover up.

Outside of that, I'm fairly comfortable with the he said he said aspects of the story..so far.

 

[Stern]

ESPN with this story has played the old tactic from the FOX NEWS playbook. Throw a rumor out there, state it as somewhat of a fact in the eyes of "some". Muddy the debate with it; creating a debate on something that probably shouldn't even be debated. In the end nobody is proven right or wrong. Then they run behind the with ole "we report you decide." And never speak of it again. But the damage is done and the virus has already spread into the mainstream that a half-truth or no-truth becomes fact to many.

FOX NEWS has been doing it forever and now ESPN sank to their level.

 

[A Clockwork Orange]

Was it debated to go on air with it?

No. My sports guy gave me a heads up that there was some information circulating about this, but without any corroborating evidence we obviously weren't going to go with it. Besides the fact, Davis didn't come to us, he went to SU (this was the 2005 allegations that SU vetted).