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[OrangeMaNPD]

big news could come within next 48 hours re: FSU.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Regularly scheduled BoT meeting.

 

[OrangeMaNPD]

Regularly scheduled BoT meeting.

Don't hate!

 

[SouthCampusHero]

Their regularly scheduled BoT meeting that is set for Friday and does not have conference affiliation on the agenda?

Of course, on twitter it's probably dubbed, "The super-secret BoT meeting that will decide conference affiliation."

 

[SURules]

I hope FSU and Clemson stay in the ACC but their fan base is so worked up on moving it's crazy. Big12 fans seem to be throwing massive fuel on the flames. IMHO, this is a short sighted, emotional thing, based upon miss-information or at the very least not complete facts. The FSU BOT Chair is case study on inaccurate information. It amazes me how FSU and Clemson fans think they can't win the MNC in the ACC. Also, their pure hatred for all things ACC and new additions such as us. It is what it is as they say though. If they go, good luck to them but I just don't see it being a good decision if they leave and that is trying to see it without my orange colored glasses on. An all sports east coast conference from Boston to Miami is a great concept that would be fantastic in sports and academics. They just don't see it apparently or lack the vision.

 

[NKR1978]

Would be the first time a school has moved to a lesser academic conference. The ACC may not have the cohesive identity of a Big 10 school, but there is some cache to graduating from an ACC school. I'd be pissed if I were an FSU or Clemson alumni and traded an association UVA, Duke, UNC, Wake, Maryland, BC, Miami and Georgia Tech for Texas.

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[IthacaMatt]

I hope FSU and Clemson stay in the ACC but their fan base is so worked up on moving it's crazy. Big12 fans seem to be throwing massive fuel on the flames. IMHO, this is a short sighted, emotional thing, based upon miss-information or at the very least not complete facts. The FSU BOT Chair is case study on inaccurate information. It amazes me how FSU and Clemson fans think they can't win the MNC in the ACC. Also, their pure hatred for all things ACC and new additions such as us. It is what it is as they say though. If they go, good luck to them but I just don't see it being a good decision if they leave and that is trying to see it without my orange colored glasses on. An all sports east coast conference from Boston to Miami is a great concept that would be fantastic in sports and academics. They just don't see it apparently or lack the vision.

Hopefully they will realize that the only league they and their fans really ought to consider is the SEC, if they come calling some day. That's the league you envy, that's the league you want to be a part of, not some league in the Midwest.

 

[arbitragegls]

I have a different view on FSU nearly every other day. Here is what I am laughing about today:
Academics seem to play a little role in a university changing conferences, but FSU would go from the bottom of a conference academically--rated 101 and tied for lowest in ACC to just about the Top 3 in the Big 12. Couple that with fact that FSU hasnt won an ACC title in more than a few years and its FANS believe there is a better change of playing better football in the Big 12--a conference with Texas, Oklahoma, Okla State etc etc. I get it...so low in academic standing that they are just misguided into believing the Big 12 will provider an easier schedule than say playing Duke and Wake Forest--oh wait Duke and Wake Forest could not hold a jock strap for most of the Football programs in the Big 12...this isnt food for thought (academic terminology); its simply Fodder for getting your ass beat.
Go forth FSU and maybe take Clemson with you...we need a laugh!

 

[Faegan]

At the end of the day, all of the MAJOR conference moves that we've seen make sense to me - from the perspective of the schools that moved. Virginia Tech, Miami and BC to the ACC. Nebraska to the Big 10. CU and Utah to the Pac 10. A&M and Missouri to the SEC. SU and Pitt to the ACC. I get all of those moves.

Florida State and Clemson to the Big 12 would be the first major moves since 2003 that would baffle me and make me think that stupid people were running their schools.

 

[KaiserUEO]

leavng the ACC would be a bad move for both of them and a death knell for clemson.

clemson, good lord What would they want to go to a stronger conf?? they havnt been relevent since Terry Kinard, Andy Headen and some guy named the Refrigerator played ball.

 

[Chip]

leavng the ACC would be a bad move for both of them and a death knell for clemson.

clemson, good lord What would they want to go to a stronger conf?? they havnt been relevent since Terry Kinard, Andy Headen and some guy named the Refrigerator played ball.

Which is why, until I hear otherwise (not from the likes of Greg Swaim), that I believe someone smart at each school (has to be at least 1 with some power) will step in and make sure they realize that this would be a bad move. $2M-$3M additional revenue per year, once you are phased in, of course, so not even year 1. Pay a $20M exit fee to ACC. Travel more and play schools where your away crowd, once a strong point of FSU games, will resemble the Louisville crowds at the Carrier Dome.

Someone will step up and say, while playing Oklahoma and Texas sounds great, does anyone realize we'll also be playing Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU?

Oh, and our path to the promise land of the new Final 4 has to go through those 2 powerhouses that we're looking forward to playing?

 

[HtownOrange]

I think FSU and Clemson stay, they are not going to make the $$ the blogers and tweeters throw around. The money is only there when you ignore certain positive factors and inflate certain negative factors, even then, the numbers being used are not consistent. Finally, The Big 12 is not as stable as many would have the fan bases think. The Big 12 is still the PRIME target for Pac 12 expansion, with the B1g and SEC willing to take other teams. Big 12 fans have this pie in the sky idea that they run the show and the Pac will simply take four east coast teams, the SEC will take a few ACC teams and the B1g will get the ACC leftovers with a few teams left out in the cold - just too much dreaming considering that every school was looking to get out of the Big 12 within the last two years.

Additionally, the Big 12 is still trying to flirt with Notre Dame to secure the same deal that ND has with the Big East: The conference will house all sports and ND will fly cover for the conference. This tells me that at heart, the Big 12 knows they are on less stable footing than the Big East.

 

[billsin01]

IMHO, this is a short sighted, emotional thing, based upon miss-information or at the very least not complete facts.

Couldn't this be the slogan for entire lot of realignment the last 10 years or so?

 

[billsin01]

I'd be pissed if I were an FSU or Clemson alumni and traded an association UVA, Duke, UNC, Wake, Maryland, BC, Miami and Georgia Tech for Texas.

Do you mean b/c your diploma is somehow cheapened? I personally think people tend to derive far too much pride from where they went to college and tend to drastically overstate the differences in how "good" a school actually is. But why a fan would care about conference affiliation for any reason other than sports (i.e. how it reflects on their school's academic rep) is beyond me.

 

[NKR1978]

Do you mean b/c your diploma is somehow cheapened? I personally think people tend to derive far too much pride from where they went to college and tend to drastically overstate the differences in how "good" a school actually is. But why a fan would care about conference affiliation for any reason other than sports (i.e. how it reflects on their school's academic rep) is beyond me.

I believe that SU's upcoming ACC membership will help with SU's academic perception. The Big East has nice some great schools, especially Georgetown and Notre Dame. But it also has schools with different academic missions or that are more regional schools vs. national universities. The ACC is filled with schools similar to Syracuse or to what Syracuse strives to be. The ACC's "worst" school is FSU, and FSU is still better than most of the Big East. I think that means a lot to the faculty, administrators, trustees and alumni. Maybe not so much the average fan - but the average fan only cares about the football team, which is important but not nearly as important as the university's academic mission.

 

[billsin01]

Which is why, until I hear otherwise (not from the likes of Greg Swaim), that I believe someone smart at each school (has to be at least 1 with some power) will step in and make sure they realize that this would be a bad move. $2M-$3M additional revenue per year, once you are phased in, of course, so not even year 1. Pay a $20M exit fee to ACC. Travel more and play schools where your away crowd, once a strong point of FSU games, will resemble the Louisville crowds at the Carrier Dome.

Someone will step up and say, while playing Oklahoma and Texas sounds great, does anyone realize we'll also be playing Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU?

Oh, and our path to the promise land of the new Final 4 has to go through those 2 powerhouses that we're looking forward to playing?

This sounds entirely rational but at what point has any of these moves appeared rational? All these conferences are adding teams to add markets or "eyeballs" but completely ignoring the fact that many of these teams don't have any particular draw in their own cities. Teams like TCU consider joining the big east for no particular reason. The SEC doesn't want WVU, apparently, despite the fact that they seem to fit perfectly in terms of fan base, geography, quality of the program, etc.

I think the whole thing defies any logic, IMO. In fact, I think it will be funny when the Cuse essentially ends up back in some marginally reconfigured Big East that is still the weakest football conference of the big boys.

 

[Chip]

This sounds entirely rational but at what point has any of these moves appeared rational? All these conferences are adding teams to add markets or "eyeballs" but completely ignoring the fact that many of these teams don't have any particular draw in their own cities. Teams like TCU consider joining the big east for no particular reason. The SEC doesn't want WVU, apparently, despite the fact that they seem to fit perfectly in terms of fan base, geography, quality of the program, etc.

I think the whole thing defies any logic, IMO. In fact, I think it will be funny when the Cuse essentially ends up back in some marginally reconfigured Big East that is still the weakest football conference of the big boys.

While you have to certainly account for the irrational, you can find something rational in all of the recent moves.

SU and Pitt going to the ACC made sense for a lot of reasons. Tradition rich, east coast conference, great academics, and the stability that the Big East could no longer offer in it's inflated state.

The Big 12 was obviously a mess in its former state. When you have schools like Nebraska, aTm, Colorado, Mizzou that are THAT unhappy, you know you have a problem. Something that should not be lost on FSU and Clemson as they think about this. And when the Big 12 lost all those schools, coupled with the Big East losing SU/Pitt, you had 2 schools (WVU, TCU) dying to get out, and a conference (Big 12) finding itself with only 8 members, which isn't a good # these days. So it maybe illogical, but survival is at least rational.

FSU and Clemson do not fit any of the profiles. They are in a strong league, and their unhappiness with North Carolina in general, can't even approach the former Big 12 members with Texas. Otherwise, FSU especially would already have left for the Big 12. It would be, by far, the most irrational of anything to date.

 

[arbitragegls]

Whoa, I think that the point is not that football was the prime mover for 'Cuse. If we take a macro view, the BE was going to splinter if for no other reason of "all sports" Vs. bball schools. That is a difficult to manage around a conference table. How do you think it felt to have ND bball etc only heading up the Media committee that turned down ESPN when in fact ND had its own $$ from NBC.
What is good about the ACC in order as a fan perspective from my standpoint is:
1. All teams play all sports...at least the major ones so there is no divide except for inflated egos by FSU and Clemson.
--and is reason Notre Dame hasnt placed its olympic sports in ACC--the ACC wont take partial athletic departments (at least not yet)
2. Academic institutions we have more in common with from a)private, b)better academic credentials), c)research oriented
3. Geographically makes more sense being Atlantic Seaboard vs. scattered to the wind
We did not join the ACC to have better football competition. We joined to get a square shot at what transpires in the conference; to be with universities that align closer to our mission and to join a conference we believe will be around for the next X number of years. ..and to have athletiic dept make some additional dollars.
And by the way, when our firm hires a lawyer to work in a specific practice area, we go to those law schools that have a national reputation for academic and practice areas...as 'Cuse for communications, reporting, TV anchors, business, etc. Lest we all forget, college is not being soley a fan of a football team it is a fan of the University environment...and the FSU President said it best: worried about a $2-$3 million budget deficit in athletic department when academically we have a $100,000,000 plus deficit...lets at least endeavor to be responsible in our views and our fandom!
And it is this FANDOM that sets 'Cuse alumni apart from FSU and Clemson...there is so much more to our university than football (although it would be nice to cheer for a winning team).

 

[OrangeMaNPD]

@IngramSmith: FSU's Pres will likely deny previous talks w/ BIg 12. I expect FSU's BOT to give him authority to formally begin nego'ns w/ BIg 12

 

[billsin01]

I think that means a lot to the faculty, administrators, trustees and alumni. Maybe not so much the average fan - but the average fan only cares about the football team, which is important but not nearly as important as the university's academic mission.

I'm not doubting you and I'm not talking about the average fan. I'm talking about alumni -- why do you really care what conference the school is affiliated with? I get that you don't want your school to be a complete joke but you take some sort of pride in being associated academically with UVA and UMD and BC as opposed USF, Cincy and Rutgers? I mean I'm not even sure employers care about any university beyond maybe the big boys in the Ivy and stanford. My brother went to notre dame, works in big pharma and has yet to ever benefit from his ND degree in terms of people simply being impressed he went there. His boss -- who makes HUGE coin -- went to Sheppard College in WV.

 

[jr4750]

I'm not doubting you and I'm not talking about the average fan. I'm talking about alumni -- why do you really care what conference the school is affiliated with? I get that you don't want your school to be a complete joke but you take some sort of pride in being associated academically with UVA and UMD and BC as opposed USF, Cincy and Rutgers? I mean I'm not even sure employers care about any university beyond maybe the big boys in the Ivy and stanford. My brother went to notre dame, works in big pharma and has yet to ever benefit from his ND degree in terms of people simply being impressed he went there. His boss -- who makes HUGE coin -- went to Sheppard College in WV.

I heard they were offered but turned down the Ivy...

 

[billsin01]

While you have to certainly account for the irrational, you can find something rational in all of the recent moves.

SU and Pitt going to the ACC made sense for a lot of reasons. Tradition rich, east coast conference, great academics, and the stability that the Big East could no longer offer in it's inflated state.

The Big 12 was obviously a mess in its former state. When you have schools like Nebraska, aTm, Colorado, Mizzou that are THAT unhappy, you know you have a problem. Something that should not be lost on FSU and Clemson as they think about this. And when the Big 12 lost all those schools, coupled with the Big East losing SU/Pitt, you had 2 schools (WVU, TCU) dying to get out, and a conference (Big 12) finding itself with only 8 members, which isn't a good # these days. So it maybe illogical, but survival is at least rational.

FSU and Clemson do not fit any of the profiles. They are in a strong league, and their unhappiness with North Carolina in general, can't even approach the former Big 12 members with Texas. Otherwise, FSU especially would already have left for the Big 12. It would be, by far, the most irrational of anything to date.

I think the fear of not "surviving" is the part that's irrational. I mean, RU and UConn could conceivably whither and die without strong conference affiliations but at the end of the day does anyone really see that happening? They may be in a conference that's limping along but could still ink a decent TV contract and put together a competitive if unexciting conference and then join a conference at another round of expansion. They'll continue to be OK football programs on the field that are basically irrelevant nationally with the exception of a potentially really good year here or there. It's the same as the Cuse, really.

I also don't think the rush to add teams in these markets has been thought out long-term. Ultimately, it's just more mouths to feed and more travel to cover. These TV deals are fueled by the fact that people watch sports live and don't fast-forward through ads. But that's a bubble. When they find a way to advertise around the DVR (which they have to do b/c otherwise Prime Time TV is useless) and they realize they are getting unmistakably blah ratings from SU/Ga Tech in NYC -- it will be reflected in the contract.

I just think it's hard to imagine a scenario in which conferences that make more sense regionally don't drive better ratings and cut travel costs. I don't htink that's ever going to change for the average school (ND/FSU/Texas, etc. are in a different world).

 

[billsin01]

I heard they were offered but turned down the Ivy...

No, that was Rutgers.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I'm not doubting you and I'm not talking about the average fan. I'm talking about alumni -- why do you really care what conference the school is affiliated with? I get that you don't want your school to be a complete joke but you take some sort of pride in being associated academically with UVA and UMD and BC as opposed USF, Cincy and Rutgers? I mean I'm not even sure employers care about any university beyond maybe the big boys in the Ivy and stanford. My brother went to notre dame, works in big pharma and has yet to ever benefit from his ND degree in terms of people simply being impressed he went there. His boss -- who makes HUGE coin -- went to Sheppard College in WV.

You must not be out of school very long - in business, your college is very important in terms of the collegial interactions with others in your work environment, your customers, your business entertainment of clients, etc. College sports is a big facilitator of business dealings, second only to golf, IMO.

 

[rrlbees]

Whoa, I think that the point is not that football was the prime mover for 'Cuse. If we take a macro view, the BE was going to splinter if for no other reason of "all sports" Vs. bball schools. That is a difficult to manage around a conference table. How do you think it felt to have ND bball etc only heading up the Media committee that turned down ESPN when in fact ND had its own $$ from NBC.
What is good about the ACC in order as a fan perspective from my standpoint is:
1. All teams play all sports...at least the major ones so there is no divide except for inflated egos by FSU and Clemson.
--and is reason Notre Dame hasnt placed its olympic sports in ACC--the ACC wont take partial athletic departments (at least not yet)
2. Academic institutions we have more in common with from a)private, b)better academic credentials), c)research oriented
3. Geographically makes more sense being Atlantic Seaboard vs. scattered to the wind
We did not join the ACC to have better football competition. We joined to get a square shot at what transpires in the conference; to be with universities that align closer to our mission and to join a conference we believe will be around for the next X number of years. ..and to have athletiic dept make some additional dollars.
And by the way, when our firm hires a lawyer to work in a specific practice area, we go to those law schools that have a national reputation for academic and practice areas...as 'Cuse for communications, reporting, TV anchors, business, etc. Lest we all forget, college is not being soley a fan of a football team it is a fan of the University environment...and the FSU President said it best: worried about a $2-$3 million budget deficit in athletic department when academically we have a $100,000,000 plus deficit...lets at least endeavor to be responsible in our views and our fandom!
And it is this FANDOM that sets 'Cuse alumni apart from FSU and Clemson...there is so much more to our university than football (although it would be nice to cheer for a winning team).

We joined the ACC, just like we tried in 2003, because of $$$ mainly driven by football/TV. The BE was not as much a cluster in 2003 and yet we still wanted to leave.