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Message: [QUOTE="Bayside44, post: 4809784, member: 343"] Yeah and our best top end talent was arguably was from GRob. And I agree, it's not. More that yeah 25 years ago we were both better and had more local - ish kids. And miles aside - which I also agree with from a practicality point of view - high schools and coaches and culture and all that is still oriented inside state lines. I'm 4 plus hours from VT and 30 minutes from the University of Maryland yet Tech (and UVa, JMU flags) are prevalent in these parts in the fall. Maryland might as well be Cuse. Edit - my grouchy gripe is less about SU than how the other schools are doing it. Just more want to point out how are competitors manage sustained success. [/QUOTE]