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Message: [QUOTE="Scooch, post: 4809791, member: 628"] I hear ya. My point is simply that we have to deal with reality. NYS HS football stinks at producing P5 talent, particularly relative to its population. That's just an "is". And it hasn't been good for decades. If that's an insurmountable obstacle then SU should downgrade football, and I mean that sincerely. When SU was good in the 90s we pulled a lot of talent from PA, NJ and the DMV. That talent is still there. We've just had a series of crummy coaches who can't go get it. And now thanks to NIL we have the avenue to grab talent from more far flung places. We need a coach who can do that too. [/QUOTE]