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Message: [QUOTE="djcon57, post: 5321645, member: 62"] I agree with some but have to push back on other points. Overall, I get your stance. 1st: You didn't just say some of our fanbase assumed the worst. You said they didnt know "crap". It's possible, just saying, based on the results. Some of us knew what we were talking about when looking at Lampkin's lack of defense, total lack of above the rim play, average rebounding, etc. It wasn't hard to see in the numbers. Carlos was even more obvious to some. Again, what some of you deem as being pessimistic others view as leveling expectations and dealing with reality. The last 5 or so offseasons for this program have been a MESS. Best players leaving, bringing in subpar replacements, over hyping basically every portal guy we've ever got. And every offseason I'm told I'm negative and SOMEHOW my exact concerns show themselves during the season. I'm not saying I'm right all the time, but this beginner level stuff. Basically I am saying this program does NOT deserve the benefit of the doubt until we see results. 2nd: I 100% agree with you that the NIL money should be on retaining players. I said previously looking at a team like Marquette seems like something we could pull off. But the issue under Red...Our players are simply not improving. Specifically looking at guys like Judah and Bell probably somehow got worse or at best stayed the same. Then when we actually have a kid like Maliq who was actually improving, he leaves. How can I feel confident in Red pulling off this plan when he can't keep our most improving player? And before you get into the "well, Duke paid him more". That's part of the game. It's built in. We need to hit the sweet spot of solid recruits that get better and better every year and stick around. If Red DOES stay next year and from what we hear, he is, I think getting JJ to stay is massive for his resume of being able to pull off this plan [/QUOTE]

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