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Message: [QUOTE="dinosaurbbq, post: 1285479, member: 1333"] Trent freaking Dilfer and Russell freaking Wilson approve of your measure of greatness. I do not. They each won a superbowl. Many better QBs haven't. Brady's team, with undoubtedly the best head coach and TE ever in the game, won 4 superbowls while he was the QB. Brady did nothing special last night. He got rid of the ball quickly to receivers and TE on short routes. Belichick was smart enough to devise a plan to attack their linebackers and DB with short passes all night, picking and picking and picking and it worked, only because Seahawks offense outside of Lynch is average to below average. If you play contain and keep Russell Wilson in the pocket most of the night and you control Lynch, you can beat Seattle. That's what they did. NE had superior WR and TE and they used them intelligently. Wins simply aren't the best indicator of QB talent or value or excellence. Why do superbowl wins equate to the best QB? Andy Pettitte was probably the best post season starter ever (he has the most wins by a wide margin), but no one considers him the best pitcher ever. Randy Johnson won 5 post-season games in one year in 2001, but no one considers him the best pitcher ever. Most statistics knowledgeable baseball fans consider career wins and career postseason wins largely irrelevant to a pitchers' excellence or value. Most of them would look at ERA and WHIP versus league average to give some historical relativity to the evaluation. Peyton Manning is the greatest QB ever. He shouldn't be penalized for the Colts having a god awful defense most of his years in the league or for his teams at the end being excellent but falling short in a winner take all single playoff game. He has a level of knowledge of defenses far beyond that of any QB to ever play the game. He is basically his own OC. Beyond that, he's thrown for more yards than any other QB in history. He's made average WR look like HOFers instantly. He throws the ball better on every pass type than Brady does. What more could you expect or use to evaluate a QB? Wins are not a reasonable effort to measure a QB's talent/skills. Certainly wins in a tiny sample, the playoffs or the superbowl, are not. [/QUOTE]

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