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[QUOTE="Tobias Funke, post: 1285583, member: 850"]
I don't have a problem with the bulk of your argument, but i have seen it come up a few times that Brady did nothing remarkable.  He was just a product of a good scheme.  Fact is, it is that scheme that prohibited him from doing anything remarkable. They devised a game plan and he executed it.  all the while putting up 4 touchdowns, and putting his team in a position to win.  While i agree that Wins and superbowls aren't the only measurement, having won 4 superbowls certainly does have a hug factor.  this is the first of those Superbowls he has one with the Best TE ever, and his receiving corps in years past have been mediocre at best.

As for the part about Peyton being his own OC i hear that a lot, and my only point there is that when he takes that responsibility upon himself it makes him that much more responsible for the success of his teams.  I personally believe Manning is a top 3 QB ever, but you cannot discount his lack of post season success, as it does measure his true value to an extent.
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