Is there any truth in the Orange drop...

[Dave85]

"Of the four Syracuse recruits, Richardson is rated the highest. He is ranked 15th in ESPN's index. Diagne came in at No. 44. That's a curious drop, especially for a player who, by all accounts, has tremendous upside. In ESPN's previous rankings, Diagne was at No. 29."

http://www.chatsports.com/syracuse-...balls-2015-class-tops-ESPN-rankings-0-9922451

This has always been my suspicion but my evidence is purely anecdotal. I wonder if the actual data shows some kind of bias positive or negative for certain schools.

 

[thebigeast44]

What's wrong with #44

 

[Brooky03]

That is interesting. I would argue that it just goes to show that most high school prospect rankings are educated guesses.

Either way, I'm really excited for Diagne to wear orange. I think he's going to exceed expectations, and the lower ranking just means he'll exceed them by more.

 

[jordoo]

There may be an Orange drop but someone also mentioned that players who are committed early tend to drop (unless they are already consensus top 5 guys) because the services want to create buzz around the uncommitted guys. That made sense to me but it also does seem like our commits can usually expect to fall 15 spots over the course of their senior campaigns.

 

[Dave85]

There may be an Orange drop but someone also mentioned that players who are committed early tend to drop (unless they are already consensus top 5 guys) because the services want to create buzz around the uncommitted guys. That made sense to me but it also does seem like our commits can usually expect to fall 15 spots over the course of their senior campaigns.

We should be able to lookup what CM and KJ were ranked the day they announced versus their final ranking. I'm too busy today to look but maybe at some point.

 

[Jamesvillecuse]

There may be an Orange drop but someone also mentioned that players who are committed early tend to drop (unless they are already consensus top 5 guys) because the services want to create buzz around the uncommitted guys. That made sense to me but it also does seem like our commits can usually expect to fall 15 spots over the course of their senior campaigns.

like Ennis last year was rated 20 something yet he comes in and is rated a top 5 frosh all year. I can live with the lower rankings as long as our players continue to surpass those rankings with their play on the court.

 

[CusefanATL]

We should be able to lookup what CM and KJ were ranked the day they announced versus their final ranking. I'm too busy today to look but maybe at some point.

CM def dropped a bit

 

[sufandu]

Is this a recent trend? Wasn't Melo ranked somewhere in the 20's when he committed but ended up #1? Jonny Flynn went from a no name to MAA. Didn't Waiters go up too?

 

[AWMKY]

We should be able to lookup what CM and KJ were ranked the day they announced versus their final ranking. I'm too busy today to look but maybe at some point.

Joseph's ranking got better, McCullough's got worse after committing.

 

[rrlbees]

Is this a recent trend? Wasn't Melo ranked somewhere in the 20's when he committed but ended up #1? Jonny Flynn went from a no name to MAA. Didn't Waiters go up too?

Melo was in the 40's at one time and I think he had climbed into the 20's when he committed. He ended up #1 or #2 depending upon which site you looked at.

 

[Dave85]

Joseph's ranking got better, McCullough's got worse after committing.

Thanks. The difference was still probably negative. Just saying.

 

[rrlbees]

Joseph's ranking got better, McCullough's got worse after committing.

McCullough's play was very erratic. Several reports questioned his motor. Not surprised he dropped.

 

[realorange]

McCullough's play was very erratic. Several reports questioned his motor. Not surprised he dropped.

Plus it was during the time when he changed schools for reasons that went unexplained.

 

[rrlbees]

Plus it was during the time when he changed schools for reasons that went unexplained.

That too.

 

[Oakland]

One does wonder about the across the board drop in SU verbals. Possibly just a coincidence but it is hard to agree with. However, there actually is a track record that may be in the minds of some of these pundits (if they actually think that much). Unfortunately, SU's recent 5 star freshmen have performed very poorly overall. Rak, Coleman, Melo were complete disappointments as freshmen and Dion wasn't far behind. Of course, Melo and Dion went on to great soph seasons, but maybe the perception is made in their first season. One of the many good things about Ennis is that he broke this string of poor performances.

"Of the four Syracuse recruits, Richardson is rated the highest. He is ranked 15th in ESPN's index. Diagne came in at No. 44. That's a curious drop, especially for a player who, by all accounts, has tremendous upside. In ESPN's previous rankings, Diagne was at No. 29."

http://www.chatsports.com/syracuse-...balls-2015-class-tops-ESPN-rankings-0-9922451

This has always been my suspicion but my evidence is purely anecdotal. I wonder if the actual data shows some kind of bias positive or negative for certain schools.

 

[Dave85]

Joseph's ranking got better, McCullough's got worse after committing.

Here's an article from June 29th:

http://orangefizz.net/2014/07/jim-boeheim-calls-su-basketballs-2015-recruiting-class-the-best-ever/

And here's now:

http://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/Syracuse

It's looks like everyone went up. That's the problem with superstition you may turn out to be just wrong. I'm sure the rankings are purely subjective with a little support coming from each player's personal statistics.

I sure hope they get Bryant in the spring. What I like about the 2015 season is we are going to have lots of experience on the team.

 

[Playoffs?!]

dude its ESPN.. there a joke.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

dude its ESPN.. there a joke.

I looked for a joke there, but didn't see one there or anywhere. Maybe they're on their way to there.

 

[two3zone]

Is this a recent trend? Wasn't Melo ranked somewhere in the 20's when he committed but ended up #1? Jonny Flynn went from a no name to MAA. Didn't Waiters go up too?

Throw in Fab Melo and MCW as well.