Is this really the model we want to follow

[GoSU96]

Eating dinner and saw a story about Jerry Neiuhiesal at UCLA. I guess he won his first game as a fill in. If I remember correctly GMc is a follower of the somebody at UCLA.

Here's what caught me short. The stat flashed on the screen was the average distance in the air for Neiuhiesal's passes was something like 1.7 yds.

I understand that the vast majority of passes are 10 yds or less (my impression is most people don't get that), but 1.7, are you kidding me.

If that is what we are really trying to emulate, shoot me now.

 

[Whitey23]

Eating dinner and saw a story about Jerry Neiuhiesal at UCLA. I guess he won his first game as a fill in. If I remember correctly GMc is a follower of the somebody at UCLA.

Here's what caught me short. The stat flashed on the screen was the average distance in the air for Neiuhiesal's passes was something like 1.7 yds.

I understand that the vast majority of passes are 10 yds or less (my impression is most people don't get that), but 1.7, are you kidding me.

If that is what we are really trying to emulate, shoot me now.

Noel Mazzone

 

[billsin01]

Eating dinner and saw a story about Jerry Neiuhiesal at UCLA. I guess he won his first game as a fill in. If I remember correctly GMc is a follower of the somebody at UCLA.

Here's what caught me short. The stat flashed on the screen was the average distance in the air for Neiuhiesal's passes was something like 1.7 yds.

I understand that the vast majority of passes are 10 yds or less (my impression is most people don't get that), but 1.7, are you kidding me.

If that is what we are really trying to emulate, shoot me now.

Christ I hope not. There is absolutely nothing more ridiculous to me than an offense predicated on horizontal movement. I'd sooner take a heavy dose of triple option.

 

[SmilinBob]

If you have guys that can block and run like the wind that short pass can be a good thing. SU has neither.

 

[Scooch]

Huh?

Now we're ripping McDonald because a school 3,000 miles away had their back-up QB throw short passes when he entered a game in progress?

What?

THE AGENDA MUST BE HONORED!

 

[MadNY3]

Eating dinner and saw a story about Jerry Neiuhiesal at UCLA. I guess he won his first game as a fill in. If I remember correctly GMc is a follower of the somebody at UCLA.

Here's what caught me short. The stat flashed on the screen was the average distance in the air for Neiuhiesal's passes was something like 1.7 yds.

I understand that the vast majority of passes are 10 yds or less (my impression is most people don't get that), but 1.7, are you kidding me.

If that is what we are really trying to emulate, shoot me now.

Is it a shovel-pass Based offense or something?

 

[Millhouse]

Eating dinner and saw a story about Jerry Neiuhiesal at UCLA. I guess he won his first game as a fill in. If I remember correctly GMc is a follower of the somebody at UCLA.

Here's what caught me short. The stat flashed on the screen was the average distance in the air for Neiuhiesal's passes was something like 1.7 yds.

I understand that the vast majority of passes are 10 yds or less (my impression is most people don't get that), but 1.7, are you kidding me.

If that is what we are really trying to emulate, shoot me now.

I am skeptical of the N Zone based on it merely being OK at UCLA. but I wouldn't judge it based on a backup quarterback in his first game when they were whiteknuckling it

Hundley wouldn't have been so highly thought of if he never threw the ball downfield. He was 27th in yards per attempt. Not great but not terrifying either

there's no reason to say "the N Zone, now that is the best offense". some coaches go with crappier offenses to stand out from the crowd a little bit. i think of rob spence going all in bubble screens. he must've known it wasn't the ideal offense but if it had worked out, he could've been the bubble screen guy. it's almost like marketing.

fwiw that neiuhiesal game ended with a pump fake 33 yard td all in the air. for it to be 1.7 yards in the air average, that means the rest of the passes would've had to only go .62 yards. I find that very hard to believe. If you didn't hate our bad offensive coordinator so much, you might have some more skepticism of something that flashed before your eyes.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I am skeptical of the N Zone based on it merely being OK at UCLA. but I wouldn't judge it based on a backup quarterback in his first game when they were whiteknuckling it

Hundley wouldn't have been so highly thought of if he never threw the ball downfield. He was 27th in yards per attempt. Not great but not terrifying either

there's no reason to say "the N Zone, now that is the best offense". some coaches go with crappier offenses to stand out from the crowd a little bit. i think of rob spence going all in bubble screens. he must've known it wasn't the ideal offense but if it had worked out, he could've been the bubble screen guy. it's almost like marketing.

fwiw that neiuhiesal game ended with a pump fake 33 yard td all in the air. for it to be 1.7 yards in the air average, that means the rest of the passes would've had to only go .62 yards. I find that very hard to believe. If you didn't hate our bad offensive coordinator so much, you might have some more skepticism of something that flashed before your eyes.

The offense at Syracuse has sucked every year for 10-12 years other than 2012. Pretty cut and dry regardless of who was coaching, etc

 

[Scooch]

The offense at Syracuse has sucked every year for 10-12 years other than 2012. Pretty cut and dry regardless of who was coaching, etc

The first time we had a functional offense our sainted head coach left.

So maybe we're better off with bad offenses?

 

[IthacaBarrel]

The first time we had a functional offense our sainted head coach left.

So maybe we're better off with bad offenses?

Agreed, Sustained mediocrity is the only answer!!

 

[Upstate]

Eating dinner and saw a story about Jerry Neiuhiesal at UCLA. I guess he won his first game as a fill in. If I remember correctly GMc is a follower of the somebody at UCLA.

Here's what caught me short. The stat flashed on the screen was the average distance in the air for Neiuhiesal's passes was something like 1.7 yds.

I understand that the vast majority of passes are 10 yds or less (my impression is most people don't get that), but 1.7, are you kidding me.

If that is what we are really trying to emulate, shoot me now.

Remember, Brett Hundley was going to be a top-5 pick and a heisman finalist this year and is injured. UCLA is fun to watch and Hundley would be Hunt on speed. Not a fair assessment.

 

[storange]

Agreed, Sustained mediocrity is the only answer!!

Deleone is available we should switch back to the pro option ( including the famous freeze option series ) Nobody would be used to playing against it. The unbalanced line and the scissors could really throw them off too

 

[PhatOrange]

Deleone is available we should switch back to the pro option ( including the famous freeze option series ) Nobody would be used to playing against it. The unbalanced line and the scissors could really throw them off too

wouldn't mind George coming back to coach the OLine.

 

[Scooch]

wouldn't mind George coming back to coach the OLine.

Please, we all know his strength is as defensive coordinator.

:bang:

 

[Rocco]

The N-Zone was coined by Noel Mazzone, OC at UCLA. I'm sure it works when it is peaking out, but we are a long way from it. We need to take more shots downfield to prevent the safeties from completley blowing up our short-mid field.

 

[BlackKnight76]

Huh?

Now we're ripping McDonald because a school 3,000 miles away had their back-up QB throw short passes when he entered a game in progress?

What?

THE AGENDA MUST BE HONORED!

Thank you.

 

[Full_Rebar]

I tried to watch as much of the UCLA game as possible last night to see what they do on offense. They certainly ran a couple of bubbles for minimal games, but they had big-time athletes make huge plays (the WR who took a short sit-down route 80 yards and the DB with the pick 6 and KO return).

Hard to compare as Hundley is one of the top QB's in the country and he made plenty of plays with his legs. I noticed a couple of routes where they ran a guy down the seam and had the outside WR cross underneath him creating space. They ran a great play-action at the goal line to hit the TE in the end zone. They didn't seem to worry about tempo, while on the other side ASU seemed to get themselves going too fast from time to time.

 

[SmilinBob]

UCLA just made Virginia and BYU look even better because they just pounded #15 ASU.