it's feb, we can talk about Carroll's explanations, right?

[Millhouse]

I don't mind the pass. Beast mode is overrated, Russell Wilson is good and smart, the guy looked open, a defender made a 1 in 50 type of play.

But Pete Carroll needs to stop talking. These coaches just don't know probabilities at all. If getting a yard is in two plays such a sure thing, why in the world do they punt so much in short yardage situations? Totally inconsistent. If you're talking about kicking a field goal where you only have one shot at it anyway, go ahead and waste time. But when you need a TD, you can't be so worried about Brady going 50-60 yards in 20 seconds. you need to score.

Now, this all gives Carroll the benefit of the doubt that he's not making up a stupid story. I think he might be making this up which is dumber than if he actually believed any of this wasted play business. If you're going to waste a play, wouldn't you just roll out or throw a fade out of bounds?

I think they're making up stories because they don't want to take on the Beast mode fans by saying "Look, Lynch is not a sure thing from the goal line, the pass probably works most of the time, so shut up already"

 

[Ozcuse]

The only explanation he really needs is that calling pass plays would give him more potential plays in the case that the Pats had a PI in the endzone or some other penalty that gave a 1st down but didn't add time to the clock. It was a great play by the Pats defender, shlit happens sometimes. :noidea:

I'm surprised they went with the quick slant and didn't try a fade to the 6'5 guy. If thrown correctly it's a TD/broken up play/Pass Interference. Instead they go with quick slant where the 6'5 guy doesn't have an advantage over 5'10 defender. Oh well.

 

[Tobias Funke]

The only explanation he really needs is that calling pass plays would give him more potential plays in the case that the Pats had a PI in the endzone or some other penalty that gave a 1st down but didn't add time to the clock. It was a great play by the Pats defender, . . . . happens sometimes. :noidea:

I'm surprised they went with the quick slant and didn't try a fade to the 6'5 guy. If thrown correctly it's a TD/broken up play/Pass Interference. Instead they go with quick slant where the 6'5 guy doesn't have an advantage over 5'10 defender. Oh well.

Classic example of a coach not going with what has been working. The element of surprise doesn't carry as much value IMO than what has worked well to date. Sometimes the best decision to make in coaching is what seems like the most obvious.

 

[Millhouse]

The only explanation he really needs is that calling pass plays would give him more potential plays in the case that the Pats had a PI in the endzone or some other penalty that gave a 1st down but didn't add time to the clock. It was a great play by the Pats defender, . . . . happens sometimes. :noidea:

I'm surprised they went with the quick slant and didn't try a fade to the 6'5 guy. If thrown correctly it's a TD/broken up play/Pass Interference. Instead they go with quick slant where the 6'5 guy doesn't have an advantage over 5'10 defender. Oh well.

my own opinion - fades suck, they rarely work and then you're down to 2 plays instead of 3 to get in. i think fades are like coffin corner punts, people assume they're easy to place when they're not. of course if anyone could be good at fades, it'd probably be wilson

 

[orangenirvana]

At the time I thought any type of pass in that situation was insane. But in hindsight I don't think it's a bad idea.

However, the chances of a pick when attempting a slant pass over the middle toward traffic is too much to ignore. As he dropped back and was attempting the throw I was expecting a tipped pass and interception in the end zone. If they wanted to pass the ball they should have had Wilson do a fake play action rollout. At least he gets a chance to run it in if no one is open in the corner. Or at the very least throw it away.

Despite what Carroll or anyone says it will go down as an all-time horrible play call. As well as an all-time great pick off.

 

[upperdeck]

if they had watched SU they would know not to run slants near the red zone.

 

[Millhouse]

Despite what Carroll or anyone says it will go down as an all-time horrible play call. As well as an all-time great pick off.

i think it can be one or the other but not both

 

[upperdeck]

if you think you wont score on the run it becomes less of a bad play to throw, the bad throw didnt help, but that needs to be factored in too.

NE was going to sell out on the run.

the reality is, they wanted to kill clock, so they ran it down, then threw, then they could have run, then called a to and run the last play..

as i think you or others said the first object has to be to score, and not be as worried about leaving NE time on the clock . by worrying more about object 2 they screwed up and failed at object one.

the key is they wernt worried about passing, so they would have been better served to run after running down the clock, call the TO, then throw on 3rd down and the clock would have played out the same, the probably at worst got 2 chances to win instead of one.

would NE have been any better prepared for the throw on 3rd down? perhaps, but it would not have been seen as such a bad play with no TO's left and little time on the clock.

classic out thinking the play

2 games ago SU fans ripped Jimmie for running the obvious play to xmas and pass back to cooney at game end. now we rip Carrol for not running the obvious play that likely would not have worked and running a play that almost never ends badly.

 

[Full_Rebar]

The fact that NE knew exactly what was coming, and had practiced for it, signals that it was a terrible play call. There was zero deception with the play and that's not what you want in that situation. The call needed a play-fake, roll-out, any kind of misdirection. Even a read option is something you'd prefer to see-test the Patriots to see if they will do their job in that situation or go all-in on stopping Lynch.

If you have a very good secondary, you should have no problem giving Brady the ball and 30 seconds to try and get a tying FG when he can't just throw 6 yard quick outs/slants.

 

[KaiserUEO]

my own opinion - fades suck, they rarely work and then you're down to 2 plays instead of 3 to get in. i think fades are like coffin corner punts, people assume they're easy to place when they're not. of course if anyone could be good at fades, it'd probably be wilson

i dont have a problem with a pass play, just that one. and as far as fades go, if its thrown properly or as a corner jump ball it can work...but the problem with that is not only that matthews or whomever was a rookie...the problem is that the seattle QB sucks...and i dont trust him to throw it.

yep, wilson sucks.

hes a gimmick QB who under no circumstances should be asked to win the biggest game of his life with his arm. if you want to roll him out, let him do some shlit, maybe run...or THEN maybe throw??...fine. but to ask him to accuratetly throw a timing route into the teeth the defense is asinine.

the carrol boner roots in the fact that he thinks his QB is good, the rest of the smart football watching world knows hes not.

 

[dasher]

They shouldn't have passed. It was dumb. They ran the play with 26 seconds left. If they ran and didn't make it, they could have used their final time out. Say with 20 seconds left. Two plays in the huddle, both runs, and they have 3 shots at one yard from the 1. If you don't make it, You tip your hat to New England. You don't pass there. And certainly not to the middle of the field.

 

[Millhouse]

i dont have a problem with a pass play, just that one. and as far as fades go, if its thrown properly or as a corner jump ball it can work...but the problem with that is not only that matthews or whomever was a rookie...the problem is that the seattle QB sucks...and i dont trust him to throw it.

yep, wilson sucks.

hes a gimmick QB who under no circumstances should be asked to win the biggest game of his life with his arm. if you want to roll him out, let him do some shlit, maybe run...or THEN maybe throw??...fine. but to ask him to accuratetly throw a timing route into the teeth the defense is asinine.

the carrol boner roots in the fact that he thinks his QB is good, the rest of the smart football watching world knows hes not.

you are on drugs to think that Eli is great and Wilson sucks

if he had enough attempts, he'd have the second best career adj net yards per attempt (all the adj means is TDs and INTs and sacks are factored in) behind rodgers

and he's only 26 and will get better

 

[KaiserUEO]

you are on drugs to think that Eli is great and Wilson sucks

if he had enough attempts, he'd have the second best career adj net yards per attempt (all the adj means is TDs and INTs and sacks are factored in) behind rodgers

and he's only 26 and will get better

ooohhh, Eli throws INTs..he must not be good.

puh-fluckin-leez.

hes asked to win games, not lose them.

they only ask wilson to not lose them and the 1 time they ask him to win it...he Fs it up.

youre right, wilson doesnt have the attempts and he likely never will...because he sucks.

i guess i was wrong, they DID know that. they just forgot that at the 1 time they never shouldve never forgot it.

the legend of the Carrol Boner grows...

 

[dasher]

A MIllhouse kaiser dust-up. The first sign of the...

 

[Millhouse]

ooohhh, Eli throws INTs..he must not be good.

puh-fluckin-leez.

hes asked to win games, not lose them.

they only ask wilson to not lose them and the 1 time they ask him to win it...he Fs it up.

youre right, wilson doesnt have the attempts and he likely never will...because he sucks.

i guess i was wrong, they DID know that. they just forgot that at the 1 time they never shouldve never forgot it.

the legend of the Carrol Boner grows...

ints don't matter until russell wilson throws one

giants fans live in this imaginary world where eli selflessly throws ints only when they need him to take big chances

never mind that he's thrown the most 1st quarter ints since 2004 or 2008 or 2010

 

[Ozcuse]

Eli Manning = Jay Cutler + 2 Super Bowl wins

 

[KaiserUEO]

ints don't matter until russell wilson throws one

giants fans live in this imaginary world where eli selflessly throws ints only when they need him to take big chances

never mind that he's thrown the most 1st quarter ints since 2004 or 2008 or 2010

of course he has.

and we could care less, thats the cost of doing business.

most guys who throw a lot of INTs, arent also throwing for 30Tds and 4000 yards.

they get benched.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Eli > Superman + Batman

toughed SOB in the league.

the defense calls this game as the only needed proof.

 

[Millhouse]

do i even need to post the king of all eli pictures?

 

[Ozcuse]

 

[Scooch]

They shouldn't have passed. It was dumb. They ran the play with 26 seconds left. If they ran and didn't make it, they could have used their final time out. Say with 20 seconds left. Two plays in the huddle, both runs, and they have 3 shots at one yard from the 1. If you don't make it, You tip your hat to New England. You don't pass there. And certainly not to the middle of the field.

I don't understand what Carroll was so terrified of. Lynch just ripped off a 5 yard run on 1st down that required a Herculean effort from a one-armed Dont'a Hightower to keep from being a TD. I know Lynch was 1 for 5 from the 1 yard line this year, and 5 of 12 in the past 3 years, but that seems like an awfully small sample size to be making such a colossally important decision about.

Run on 2nd. Call TO if you don't make it. Run again with 20 seconds left and, if you still don't make it, roll Wilson out with 2-3 seconds left on 4th down and see what happens. Hell, clock it on 3rd if you need time to make a 4th down play call.

Thing is, Butler made an amazing play. That's been overlooked. He was dead balls on that play. Look at the play from field level, guy made a break on the ball in a split second. He KNEW where that pass was going. In fact he was rushed onto the field seconds before that play snapped when the coaches realized the Seahawks had 3 WRs in. Was a masterful sequence...


https://vine.co/v/OFe1iiw57eM

 

[KaiserUEO]

tied with dan fouts.

HOF

 

[donniesyracuse]

I feel like I remember Lynch being stopped twice on third and short during the game. I could be wrong. The whole night was a blur.