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Ivy League to ban full contact hitting during practice week

We should also follow suit. Because practice with tackling offered no help last season when it came to tackling during games.
 
Tough to coach up proper technique, that in and of itself could prevent a number of injuries, when there's simply no way to do it.

Worse or poor technique on game day will lead to injuries.

Idiot youth league coaches teaching their 9-12 year old to spear and lead with the head are a much larger concern than the maybe 1 hour of true full contact time during a practice week at the collegiate level.
 
Finwad32 said:
Tough to coach up proper technique, that in and of itself could prevent a number of injuries, when there's simply no way to do it. Worse or poor technique on game day will lead to injuries. Idiot youth league coaches teaching their 9-12 year old to spear and lead with the head are a much larger concern than the maybe 1 hour of true full contact time during a practice week at the collegiate level.

I think the technique stuff can be taught with the combo of the mechanical tackling dummies that Dartmouth (I think) is using to great affect and the Seattle Seahawks rugby style tackling.

1 game a week at 100-160 plays vs 5 practices at how many live reps (100 per? + drills)...

Quick and dirty math - 4 times more likely to be concussed in practice vs a game?

Plus - if the game is in real danger - probably need a "all hands on deck" response
 
Coastal Carolina coach says it is more important to avoid injuries during practice that to have tackling. He says he knows which of his players need technique instruction and practice and which don't.
 
In 15 years, conference realignment will look silly because the best athletes will no longer be playing FB.
 
I think the technique stuff can be taught with the combo of the mechanical tackling dummies that Dartmouth (I think) is using to great affect and the Seattle Seahawks rugby style tackling.

1 game a week at 100-160 plays vs 5 practices at how many live reps (100 per? + drills)...

Quick and dirty math - 4 times more likely to be concussed in practice vs a game?

Plus - if the game is in real danger - probably need a "all hands on deck" response
This is so stupid, and is just further proof of the wussification of America... is what I would say if I was an insufferable meathead. Hats off to the Ivy League, smart people doing a smart thing.
Coastal Carolina coach says it is more important to avoid injuries during practice that to have tackling. He says he knows which of his players need technique instruction and practice and which don't.

You are in full pads at most twice per week. If you do full contact for more than 20 minutes of those 2 days, you're the outlier in college football today.

40 minutes of full contact vs. 60 minutes in a game, 4:1 doesn't really compute to my calculator, quick and dirty or not. Furthermore, full contact in practice is given a quick whistle to avoid huge hits.
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Nobodies talking about wussification. People are talking about being properly prepared to take on the rigors of full contact football.

I'll tell you what, I'll buy a warehouse and teach my workers to drive a fork lift by just reading the manual. That, which will decrease the amount of time on the forklift, should therefore decrease the amount of accidents as well.
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Less than 5% of incoming FR are ready to play tackle football at the collegiate level. Take away the only time they have to learn how to compete at that level and you're putting them at risk. It takes time to learn how to adjust to the speed of the game. A subtle movement in a split second, that's a natural reaction, can mean putting yourself at tremendous risk. It takes time and muscle memory. Some of it can only be learned at full speed.

Now incoming players are at an even further disadvantage and even more at risk.

There are ways to make the game much safer without taking away full contact. It starts at the youth levels. Which is where the VAST majority of head and neck injuries occur.
 
You are in full pads at most twice per week. If you do full contact for more than 20 minutes of those 2 days, you're the outlier in college football today.

40 minutes of full contact vs. 60 minutes in a game, 4:1 doesn't really compute to my calculator, quick and dirty or not. Furthermore, full contact in practice is given a quick whistle to avoid huge hits.

Interesting. I trust you and your expertise. I'm not a coach (obviously).

What do you say to this research?

"Researchers at the Datalys Center for Sports Injury Research studied data that athletic trainers collected on nearly 20,000 youth, high school and college football players during the 2012 and 2013 football seasons. The athletic trainers documented player injuries, such as concussions, during practices and games

The researchers found that football practices were a major source of concussion at all three levels of competition. The data revealed that 54 percent of concussions on the youth level occurred during games. But 58 percent of concussions on the high school and college levels happened during practice.

High school football had the highest concussion risk overall. The proportion of concussions that occur in practices was lower in youth football teams. The risks also were lower in youth leagues than in college and high school."
 
Interesting. I trust you and your expertise. I'm not a coach (obviously).

What do you say to this research?

"Researchers at the Datalys Center for Sports Injury Research studied data that athletic trainers collected on nearly 20,000 youth, high school and college football players during the 2012 and 2013 football seasons. The athletic trainers documented player injuries, such as concussions, during practices and games

The researchers found that football practices were a major source of concussion at all three levels of competition. The data revealed that 54 percent of concussions on the youth level occurred during games. But 58 percent of concussions on the high school and college levels happened during practice.

High school football had the highest concussion risk overall. The proportion of concussions that occur in practices was lower in youth football teams. The risks also were lower in youth leagues than in college and high school."
Very good sample size. Good data. The only thing I'll add is that 2012/13 even 11 was when things started to change from my experience in terms of practice regiments. I don't doubt that they happen in practice, I just think you need live practice to prepare for games. And I think you can do it while being proactive about safety.

I also don't think football should be full contact until the Varsity level.
 
Tough to coach up proper technique, that in and of itself could prevent a number of injuries, when there's simply no way to do it.

Worse or poor technique on game day will lead to injuries.

Idiot youth league coaches teaching their 9-12 year old to spear and lead with the head are a much larger concern than the maybe 1 hour of true full contact time during a practice week at the collegiate level.
practice in slo-mo---also when i played pop warner we were taught to keep head up and hit with shoulders and use our legs---things have changed???
 
practice in slo-mo---also when i played pop warner we were taught to keep head up and hit with shoulders and use our legs---things have changed???
There are a million terrible parents coaching youth leagues. Eyes to the sky isn't always taught anymore.
 

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