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This dude has been a killer in the middle of the zone his whole career it seems -- what's our best course of action to slowing him down?
 
I have no idea. We haven't been able to stop anyone of his skill set in a long time. He's going to camp out at the FT line area and do work. With our interior D so pathetic and our Guards allowing way too much penetration at times, he is going to be open all game. If the C steps up, he'll dump it down to Young or another forward. Our best hope is that our guards up top can really limit penetration and can limit Artis' touches.
 
Don't forget about Young. He has been playing really well recently, better than Artis, but I understand everyone's concern about Artis because he simply tears up our zone. With the exception of the Louisville game, the SU defense has played much better defense than the last time we played Pitt. Guard penetration has been cut down. Rebounding has been better. I think Coleman will be an important part of the defense if we win. He has the bulk to stand up against Artis and Young. Lydon might get pushed all over the court by them. And Roberson must bring his A game.
 
Yeah, I agree with all of this. Control/limit Artis (and Young) if we want to have a chance.
 
Your best option might be to let him have the FT jumper with a late close and hope he misses more than he makes. If memory serves he can hit the shot, but he isn't lights out with it.
 
jdubs30 said:
This dude has been a killer in the middle of the zone his whole career it seems -- what's our best course of action to slowing him down?
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Drop the weak side guard to the foul line and hope him or the weak side forward can recover quick enough if the ball gets quickly rotated or kicked out to a guard.
 
rrlbees said:
Drop the weak side guard to the foul line and hope him or the weak side forward can recover quick enough if the ball gets quickly rotated or kicked out to a guard.
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Seems like Pitt could counter that easily by having a guard on the weakside perimeter, and another player in the corner by the baseline; making our weakside play 2 guys.
 
rrlbees said:
Drop the weak side guard to the foul line and hope him or the weak side forward can recover quick enough if the ball gets quickly rotated or kicked out to a guard.
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Yes, but this has killed us too many times this year with good passing teams getting the ball back to the 3pt. shooters. I have many memories of Cooney straining to get back out after closing in on the foul line.
 
realorange said:
Yes, but this has killed us too many times this year with good passing teams getting the ball back to the 3pt. shooters. I have many memories of Cooney straining to get back out after closing in on the foul line.
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In the 2-3 you choose your poison. The foul line area is the weak spot and where teams try to get the ball. Bring the center up, be susceptible to cutters to the basket, drop weak side guard, be susceptible to ball rotation and a 3, do nothing and be susceptible to foul line jumpers.
 
I don't think we can stop them on defense. They have too many weapons for us to key on a couple of guys. They also are great from the foul line. We have to be able to score the ball today. We'll need 12-14 threes to win. They will get 25 points on second chances and they are also pretty good from three. This Pitt team is not one of their better defensive teams. We have to be better than them on offense because I don't think we will be able to take enough away from them to control them on the defensive end. When it comes to push and shove, late in the game they will get a couple of put backs. We are much better defensively and rebounding wise since the last time we played them. Lydon was a non factor in the last game. He will be better today. We win by 7-8 points or we lose a close game.
 
rrlbees said:
In the 2-3 you choose your poison. The foul line area is the weak spot and where teams try to get the ball. Bring the center up, be susceptible to cutters to the basket, drop weak side guard, be susceptible to ball rotation and a 3, do nothing and be susceptible to foul line jumpers.
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I'll take the foul line jumper poison. Rarely do we lose games due to someone going off consistently from there. It seems when someone makes a few buckets from that spot, we adjust accordingly only to further expose ourselves to 3's or cutting layups, etc. If we ended up losing, let it be the result of an opposing team shooting a high percentage/enough foul line jumpers to do that. As mentioned in various threads in the past, the mid-range type jumper in the college game is a lost art...so I'll take that poison over the alternatives if need be.
 
jdubs30 said:
This dude has been a killer in the middle of the zone his whole career it seems -- what's our best course of action to slowing him down?
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G and TC have to take turns bending to foul line to make the key pass inaccessible. It's exhausting. Playing our 2-3 requires lots of intelligence along with insane conditioning. When it's working it's like a wild animal and it is amazing to watch. Last Wednesday during the second half it was more like puppy dog being house trained. I hope we see a return to the Beast of the East during today's game.
 
Not today.

As the buttons used to imply, today we're going to take a --t on Pitt and pay them back for that late December game.

They stink. We need to TCB as home.


Let's Go Orange!!!
 
rrlbees said:
In the 2-3 you choose your poison. The foul line area is the weak spot and where teams try to get the ball. Bring the center up, be susceptible to cutters to the basket, drop weak side guard, be susceptible to ball rotation and a 3, do nothing and be susceptible to foul line jumpers.
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They just need to be extremely active and aggressive. When our zone is working it's pretty darn good. I think we can beat any team when our guys are keyed up. Hopefully the crowd will be loud and not just sit there like they usually do until something good happens.
 
hoopsupstate said:
I don't think we can stop them on defense. They have too many weapons for us to key on a couple of guys. They also are great from the foul line. We have to be able to score the ball today. We'll need 12-14 threes to win.
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I think we can beat them. But my theory since everyone thinks this is going to be a high scoring game it's going to be low scoring grinder. I think winning this game will come down to how strong our home crowd advantage is for our players.
 
orangecuse said:
I'll take the foul line jumper poison. Rarely do we lose games due to someone going off consistently from there. It seems when someone makes a few buckets from that spot, we adjust accordingly only to further expose ourselves to 3's or cutting layups, etc. If we ended up losing, let it be the result of an opposing team shooting a high percentage/enough foul line jumpers to do that. As mentioned in various threads in the past, the mid-range type jumper in the college game is a lost art...so I'll take that poison over the alternatives if need be.
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While I agree with all of this, JB likely will not. I believe he coaches his D to try to stop everything, challenge everything. So the C will challenge at the foul line, and we'll be vulnerable underneath. Dixon knows how to beat our zone, and how to beat JB. We will have to shoot well to win. IMHO.
 
Gotta score as well. Like others have mentioned this is not a vintage Pitt defensive team. We still are not a very good offensive team by any stretch of the imagination but need to be able to score against the teams who aren't that good defensively.
 
JB will play the odds and concentrate on players who he thinks can beat us. Players usually not used to the role of carrying their team will be the players having to come through unless our d stinks. It's why we often wail about the random guy going off on us when we lose. The odds as proven by his record are normally with his strategy. Teams with more balanced scoring, or multiple alpha players who can score, create more of an issue. It's also more of an issue when we don't have our own glaring defensive weaknesses to attack.
 
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