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Message: [QUOTE="moqui, post: 687242, member: 214"] coming late to the thread, it seems to me that Oakland just wants us to acknowledge 2 points: 1. SU is not a "selector" school and it does not get all of it's Plan A recruits. I think this is a non-controversial statement. However, any implication that there is always some kind of drastic dropoff between Plan A and Plan B (or even Plan C) does not necessarily follow, especially given the second point he wants acknowledged 2. Our recent "5 Star" recruits have under-performed. This is where it gets confusing to me. If the "Plan A, 5 Star" recruits are under-performing, but the team is still averaging 30 wins per year and making deep tourney runs, then aren't the Plan B and C kids necessarily over- performing? And doesn't that mean that either there is no substantial drop off between As and Bs, or that the staff is recruiting for the system, focusing on player types rather than player rankings? I also think that the "5 star under-performance" claim needs to be unpacked. The star ratings are arbitrary. For the most part, the various services just give each of the top 25 players 5 stars, then 26 through 100 get 4 stars, and so on. In other words, not all 5 stars are created equal. Using the consensus rankings at RSCI, the recent Orange stars have been ranked 18 - DC 21 - Roc 24 - MCW 14 - Fab all in the lower half, most in the lower third, half of them in the last quintile. These are not the sure fire studs that you find ranked in the top 5 of each class. Just like the NBA lottery, if you are picking between 14 and 25, you might get a good player, but it is far from a sure thing. I think Oakland literally has stars in his eyes. He sees "5 stars" and expects lotto talent performance. If these were top 5 or 10 type players, he would have a point, but our guys typically are closer to 4 stars than they are to lottery talent. and, did #18 DC really "under-perform"? Look at some of the 5 star big men ranked ahead of him in that class 7 Kaleb Tarczewski 22mpg, 7ppg, 6 rpg 11 Grant Jerrett 18, 5 and 4 14 Cameron Ridley 16, 4 and 4 15 Brandon Ashley 20, 7 and 3 18 Dajuan Coleman 13, 5 and 4 this is not intended to bash you, Oakland, but hopefully to provide a little bit of clarity. [/QUOTE]

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