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[QUOTE="moqui, post: 687434, member: 214"]
hell, they even lost out to us on DC2
 
of course, no one is a selector school in that it gets all of its targets, but I don't think it is controversial to say that SU gets, say 50% of their primary targets while Kentucky, Kansas, UNC get 60% (these numbers are made up, just for illustration purposes).  JB recruits at a very high level, but I think it is clear that he is one step below those three schools in particular (and so is Rick Pitino, mind you, so that is not at all a bad place to be).

yep . . . people seem to think that landing a  top level talent = a Carmelo type run.  Let's not forget that the only consensus Top 10 player that SU has landed post Carmelo was #8 Donte Greene - a one-and-done who led the team  . . . to the NIT quarterfinals.
 
Since Donte left, JB has averaged 30 wins a year, the third greatest total in the nation behind only Duke and Kansas, earned 2 #1 seeds (and protected seeds for 5 consecutive years), advanced to the Sweet 16 4 times in 5 years including back to back trips beyond that level.
 
So, while if you judge recruiting by the average star rating of the recruits, or by how those recruits' individual freshman performances rate according to high expectations, or by number of high NBA draft picks, then sure, you can say we are under-performing. 
 
Me?  I think I'll take the metrics of third most total wins in the nation, high seeds in the NCAA tourney and deep tournament runs.  Call me simple, call me foolish, but that's how I am judging it.
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