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Message: [QUOTE="Antiprodigy, post: 2015924, member: 582"] Yet, how many times has SU been in the final four the past 5 years, in comparison to the previous 20 years? Almost seems like the zone is becoming more effective, not less! (And this is for you Zelda!) (Yes, measuring with final fours is absolutely a valid measuring tool. No one gives a crap what your overall record is. No one remembers. But, everyone remembers when teams make the final four. That is a successful season, whether you like it or whether it fits your data.) See, you can try to make this all about yet another zone vs. M2M thread (we have probably only had about a 1000 of them over the past 10 years) But, what this really is about is the inability of the current players to effectively play a defense that the staff has been teaching for many years. This is a player issue, not a defense issue. [/QUOTE]