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Message: [QUOTE="moqui, post: 2569497, member: 214"] also you have to consider relative to the draft class, as not all draft classes are alike. jerami, chosen 39th, is 13th in his class in career win shares (19th in win shares per 48 minutes), 22nd in box plus/minus and 20th in value over replacement player. not bad - but the guy taken 2 spots later is #1 in all of those categories - nikola jokic. that year, the 2nd round had several great performers - dwight powell, jordan clarkson, spencer dinwiddie in addition to grant & jokic. fwiw: wes was chosen 4th and is 17th in his class in career win shares (but 34th in ws/48), 21st in bpm and 14th in vorp. but if wes is a bust, what about dion? also chosen 4th, he is 25h in win shares (and 40th in ws/48), 32nd in bpm and 53rd (!) in vorp - the latter two are negative values. and he's been paid even more than wes while missing a ton of games [/QUOTE]