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Message: [QUOTE="Orangezoo, post: 4624787, member: 237"] For us it comes down to the center position often. The years we haven't sucked have had Etan/Fab/AO/RJ at the 5. The title team too. In that span the game also had less emphasis/desire on shooting the 3 and thus fewer long rebounds. Position wise in the zone- the center spot was chasing the corner three far less often then than vs the past 9 years. Fast forward to Jesse and we have a double digit rebounder in the post and still a poor rebounding team pct wise. Even step back to Chukwu/Oshae and that team of bricklayers. That team was decent offensive glass but overall not a good rebounding team statistically. 5 years earlier that is probably one of the better rebounding SU teams statistically. So end of the day you need both quality rebounders and a system that doesn't handicap you. [/QUOTE]