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Message: [QUOTE="RF2044, post: 3156813, member: 40"] I'm not strecthing at all, and I'm certainly not undervaluing their [U]contributions[/U] while on the hill. You said in the post that I responded to that none of our JUCOs was overlooked -- I pointed out that Guthrie was. Stating that fact does not detract from his contributions -- he was awesome last year. That doesn't change that we were his top [and I believe only] P5 offer. Pierce being a "star" at the JUCO didn't translate to SU, because he was a headcase. He certainly had his moments, but lost a substantial amount of PT last year because his penalties were hurting the team. He was much better as a junior than he was as a senior for that reason. Again, pointing that out doesn't detract from his capabilities, but I think you are overstating his [U]impact[/U] -- especially last year. Tisdale -- what's there to say? He hasn't played much yet -- hope he turns out great, but I certainly don't think we can determine that at this point. Certainly not enough to point to him as an upgrade. Hope it comes to pass, time will tell. I mentioned Diabate but not Tiller because I was making a point about it being easier to recruit some positions -- such as LB -- than other positions which are more highly coveted. That's why I discussed him with Guthrie / Williams as examples of guys who are undervalued nationally, but a position we've had success recruiting at the JUCO level moreso than most other positional units. You seem to be mistakenly be attempting against the position that we can't get quality JUCOs. That is not the point I am making. We can, but not to the extent that many in this and other threads suggest, and some potional units will have more abundant talent than others. If we could land a stud JUCO LT for example to solve the OL issues, why wouldn't the coaching staff have already done so? Every year, the forum has several "we need to recruit some JUCOs" threads. It reminds me of the classic Steve Martin bit about how to be a millionaire and not pay any taxes. Step 1: get a million dollars... I am all for bringing in the top talent we can. If those are JUCOs, fine. But recruiting JUCOs is not some magic bullet to shore up every hole the team has. It hasn't been historically, and it isn't now. As a supplement to traditional recruiting? All for it. [/QUOTE]

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