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Message: [QUOTE="sufandu, post: 5724587, member: 874"] The out of shape stuff is half on JB. Remember what P did with football players when they didn't pass the preseason conditoning tests? They did extra conditoning. We all know JB didn't use all alotted practice time. If a guy(s) was out of shape, when everone else was done with practice, that guy could have stayed for the balance of practice with the head man and run suicides. A month or two of that would have had him in shape for conference play. I get that JB believed in treating players like adults, but not all 18 year olds are ready for that, and riding the pine isn't the only, or always the fastest, way to teach lessons. [/QUOTE]