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Message: [QUOTE="Knicks411, post: 5284424, member: 767"] Yeah I admit I haven't been posting as much as usual (gee I wonder why?) but I have seen the Red won 20 games thing last year, and I mostly agree with you. They were 7th in the country in luck rating on Ken Pom last year. They had a barely positive scoring margin, yet they went 20-12 (also 20 wins isn't what it used to be, but I feel like we should all be well aware of that by now). So I guess you could look at that and say 1) Man Red did a hell of a job coaching those guys up last year or 2) the team should've been a little above 500 and instead ran hot in close games and won a few more than they "should" have. Which of those 2 seems more likely now? [/QUOTE]