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How can Wichita St be a 1 seed? Didn't think they had anywhere near that strong a resume.
 
he has a potential matchup with Duke in the sweet 16 . . . that could conceivably be the 4th matchup of the season between the game's two winningest coaches, who had previously only met twice in their entire careers.

and all 4 would be in different buildings!
 
Marsh01 said:
Kansas is going to get a #1 seed. I called it earlier in the week and am sticking to it.
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i agree, and i hope they get it, i dont wanna see them till the f4 (assuming we're a 1)
 
Marsh01 said:
Kansas is going to get a #1 seed. I called it earlier in the week and am sticking to it.
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I don't think that's far-fetched at all - it seems very likely at this point. Even though they lost a few games, they have a ridiculously strong schedule and lots of great wins.
 
Syracuse, Arizona, Kansas, and Michigan State or Iowa will be the 1 seeds when March comes around IMO. Wichita State belongs no where near the 1 line as I discussed earlier this week. I won't even comprehend them on the 1 line until they win @Indiana State and win the MVC post-season tournament. I think the team to watchout for is Iowa, but they lost @Michigan this week and lost @Wisconsin as well, but I really like this team to go on a run. IMO, Michigan State is going to lose their next 2 games w/0 Dawson and Paine home to undefeated Michigan and @Iowa on Tuesday. Also, I found it funny that Brandon Dawson apparently broke his hand listening to the ESPN broadcast of his game against Michigan State and Dan Dakich saying Dawson has to play better for Michigan State to win the NC and he punched something out of frustration and broke his hand.
 
Alsacs said:
Also, I found it funny that Brandon Dawson apparently broke his hand listening to the ESPN broadcast of his game against Michigan State and Dan Dakich saying Dawson has to play better for Michigan State to win the NC and he punched something out of frustration and broke his hand.
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Is that what happened? I knew he broke it hitting a table but wasn't realized it was from that comment. That's funny. I guess he never heard the Kevin Brown story.
 
cliftonparksufan said:
Is that what happened? I knew he broke it hitting a table but wasn't realized it was from that comment. That's funny. I guess he never heard the Kevin Brown story.
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"We were also watching some TV clippings from videos from the Indiana game of [ESPN analyst] Dan Dakich saying that the key to our winning the national championship is going to come up to me and my intensity. I kind of got frustrated with how I've been playing and how I know I can play. I kind of got frustrated and I slammed my hand against the table out of frustration."

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab...breaks-hand-during-film-213534733--ncaab.html
 
jordoo said:
How can Wichita St be a 1 seed? Didn't think they had anywhere near that strong a resume.
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Its an "as of now" approach. OOC games are still making up 65-75% of the games played by teams so far. So the Shockers weaker conference has not hurt them much yet compared to power schools.

People say Wichita St has played nobody, but their toughest game has much value because its a road win -- at St Louis is a slightly better win than at home vs Nova. At St Louis, Neutral BYU, Home Tennessee - its not great, but its still not excessively far behind other schools Give it another two or three weeks, and the gap will become too wide.

I am still in the camp that Wichita St undefeated at the end.of the season gets a #1 seed. The allure of an undefeated team (first since UNLV) will surpass any other metric in value.



Where it will get interesting is if they have one loss. For what its worth, RPIForecast has Wichita St predicted at 29-1 before MVC Tourney

http://www.rpiforecast.com/index2.html

Is that a #1 seed? I don't think it is, but they will at least be discussed. In the projections above, I have Arizona, Michigan St are clear #1 seeds. I would say Kansas / Syracuse is #3/#4, and Wichita is St is #5. Now note that projection is based on us going 14-4 in ACC, and some may not agree with that.

Its interesting to compare that resume of a 29-1 Wichita St vs 27-4 Syracuse team.
RPI - Wichita St 7, Syracuse 10
Top 50 Record - Wichita St 3-0, Syracuse 7-3
Top 100 Record - Wichita St 7-1, Syracuse 14-4
OOC SOS - Wichita St 39, Syracuse 120
OOC Wins against tourney teams - Wichita St 3, Syracuse 4

Its always been quantity that rules, so I can't see the committee not selecting a 27-4 Syracuse team over a 29-1 Wichita St. team
 
orange79 said:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology

1 seeds: AZ, SU, MSU, Wichita St.

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So we would play the winner of OSU and Baylor on Saturday. That's just great because that's the day I'm going to miss the games in Buffalo due to having to go to a wedding between two OSU grads in Cleveland. I hope we win by 50. Plus to make it sweeter I'm going hopefully sell my tickets for double and make sure it's to OSU fans who can watch their team get creamed.
 
Marsh01 said:
Kansas is going to get a #1 seed. I called it earlier in the week and am sticking to it.
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I expected the Big 12 champion to get a #1 seed before January. There were two many quality teams entering the Big 12, that the best was going to build up a great resume. I thought it may be Iowa St instead of Kansas, but Kansas has the clear edge now. Kansas with 7 losses is a clear #1 seed.
 
jncuse said:
I expected the Big 12 champion to get a #1 seed before January. There were two many quality teams entering the Big 12, that the best was going to build up a great resume. I thought it may be Iowa St instead of Kansas, but Kansas has the clear edge now. Kansas with 7 losses is a clear #1 seed.
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Kansas already won @Oklahoma, @Iowa State they only have tough road games left @Texas, @K-State, @Oklahoma State, @Baylor. Kansas isn't losing at the Phog to anybody IMO. They will roll WVU, Texas Tech, TCU, and if they go 2-2 in those 4 road games they will be a 1 seed with their non-conference schedule and 6 losses before the conference tournament.

I think the 4th 1 seed will come from Iowa and Michigan State. Michigan State if they are healthy would be the obvious team, but no Brendan Dawson for 4-5 weeks means he will be back for the conference tournament and Iowa lost to Villanova and Iowa State if they had one of those 2 I would think they would have a chance.

I believe in the end we are going to see these 12 teams on the top 3 lines. Arizona-Syracuse-Kansas-Michigan State-Florida-San Diego State-Wichita State-Iowa-Kentucky-Wisconsin-Oklahoma State-Villanova.
 
moqui said:
he has a potential matchup with Duke in the sweet 16 . . . that could conceivably be the 4th matchup of the season between the game's two winningest coaches, who had previously only met twice in their entire careers.

and all 4 would be in different buildings!
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I really doubt we would play Duke or an ACC team in the sweet 16. To be honest. I am not sure what Palm is doing. Does the committee have new standards this year that they have never had before?

1) He claims the top 3 teams from each conference do not need to be in different brackets. This has always been the case, and there was no exceptions in 2010-2013 bracket.

2) While the rule making conference teams not being able to play until the round of 8, was changed around 2006, it has still followed the rule completely, with the exception of when the Big East had 9 teams or more, and I believe in one instance where there was a play in team in the 11 or 12 line.

Clearly the committee has spoken and made it clear that unless your conference has 9 teams or more, you are not meeting unuil the elite 8. I like Palm's seeding but his bracketing leaves to be desired, or he knows new rules that have not really been communicated yet.
 
jncuse said:
I really doubt we would play Duke or an ACC team in the sweet 16. To be honest. I am not sure what Palm is doing. Does the committee have new standards this year that they have never had before?

1) He claims the top 3 teams from each conference do not need to be in different brackets. This has always been the case, and there was no exceptions in 2010-2013 bracket.

2) While the rule making conference teams not being able to play until the round of 8, was changed around 2006, it has still followed the rule completely, with the exception of when the Big East had 9 teams or more, and I believe in one instance where there was a play in team in the 11 or 12 line.

Clearly the committee has spoken and made it clear that unless your conference has 9 teams or more, you are not meeting unuil the elite 8. I like Palm's seeding but his bracketing leaves to be desired, or he knows new rules that have not really been communicated yet.
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He is wrong about one thing. The committee will have conference opponents in the sweet 16, but they will only do it if the teams have met 1 time in the regular season. They won't put SU and Duke in the same bracket because they will have played 2 times. The top 3 teams in different brackets as Jerry Palm said on twitter only applies if they are top 4 seeds. He may be wrong, but I agree with you typically Palm does a better job, but these brackets will change a lot before March.
 
JarHeadJim said:
North Carolina is not going to get in!! Kentucky a 6 seed?
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"as of now" they deserve to get in. But they have quit on the season, so it will be tough to keep that spot.
 
Alsacs said:
Kansas already won @Oklahoma, @Iowa State they only have tough road games left @Texas, @K-State, @Oklahoma State, @Baylor. Kansas isn't losing at the Phog to anybody IMO. They will roll WVU, Texas Tech, TCU, and if they go 2-2 in those 4 road games they will be a 1 seed with their non-conference schedule and 6 losses before the conference tournament.

I think the 4th 1 seed will come from Iowa and Michigan State. Michigan State if they are healthy would be the obvious team, but no Brendan Dawson for 4-5 weeks means he will be back for the conference tournament and Iowa lost to Villanova and Iowa State if they had one of those 2 I would think they would have a chance.

I believe in the end we are going to see these 12 teams on the top 3 lines. Arizona-Syracuse-Kansas-Michigan State-Florida-San Diego State-Wichita State-Iowa-Kentucky-Wisconsin-Oklahoma State-Villanova.
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I agree with your analysis re. Kansas.

The other team that still has the opportunity for a #1 in Big Ten is Wisconsin. It had a strong OOC, and the opportunity for many good victories.

Of course they do not seem to be playing well enough on the court. If its more a slip, other than the real Wisconsin, they have a shot. I don't think they will get it, but they can still fight their way back.
 
Alsacs said:
He is wrong about one thing. The committee will have conference opponents in the sweet 16, but they will only do it if the teams have met 1 time in the regular season. They won't put SU and Duke in the same bracket because they will have played 2 times. The top 3 teams in different brackets as Jerry Palm said on twitter only applies if they are top 4 seeds. He may be wrong, but I agree with you typically Palm does a better job, but these brackets will change a lot before March.
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Re. teams meeting twice. I think you are right on that one as well, and that would be a rule rather than a preference. I just don't see them putting two teams in the same 8 team bracket when a conference only has 6 teams - they have never done it despite being "allowed" if forced to.

I still think Palm is the best reputable source for seeding, which is most relevant thing anyway at this point.
 
Dave85 said:
No Georgetown, UCONN or Marquette? Oh, Duke and Villanova. There we go. I'm surprised Pitt is not in our bracket too!
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It's going to be very difficult for Pitt to be in our bracket. If they are a top 3 ACC team and we are, it's supposed to be impossible
 
Alsacs said:
He is wrong about one thing. The committee will have conference opponents in the sweet 16, but they will only do it if the teams have met 1 time in the regular season. They won't put SU and Duke in the same bracket because they will have played 2 times. The top 3 teams in different brackets as Jerry Palm said on twitter only applies if they are top 4 seeds. He may be wrong, but I agree with you typically Palm does a better job, but these brackets will change a lot before March.
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If the top 3 teams from a conference are within seed lines #1-4 they cannot be in the same region. He is putting Duke as a #5 seed so he can put them in opposite SU in the same region. IMO Duke will rise to a #3 or #4 seed later in the season so I wouldn't worry about it. In fact both Pitt and Duke will be no lower than #4's in my crystal ball.
 
Madbiker said:
If the top 3 teams from a conference are within seed lines #1-4 they cannot be in the same region. He is putting Duke as a #5 seed so he can put them in opposite SU in the same region. IMO Duke will rise to a #3 or #4 seed later in the season so I wouldn't worry about it. In fact both Pitt and Duke will be no lower than #4's in my crystal ball.
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yeah, I think Duke is going to be dangerous. Their offense is already very good; if their D improves incrementally over the next six weeks, then they will become a legit contender.
 

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