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Message: [QUOTE="money3189, post: 1630491, member: 436"] Alot of if's in there. You have some good points but the problem is that SU hasnt been good in a long time. Marrone years were respectable but not great. BTW, Marrone won with NY and PA players no one wanted. ( Nassib and Jones are in the NFL still ). I think most coaches and players will feel exactly how you feel if they were winning. That's the difference. Start winning more than 4 games. If they start winning I will jump on board with this same mindset. its not ass kissing its called building relationships. Shafer will call me about a particular player and I would say Yah or Nay because he trusted me. He knew he had to grab 1 or 2 NY kids that he could develop. Despite the lack of talent hear he knew he had to grab some. Again We are not asking for the roster to be more than 1o % of NY kids. [/QUOTE]