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Message: [QUOTE="MikeSU02, post: 205440, member: 60"] No one is saying he isn't an elite player. He clearly is. His abilities are amazing. However, you need to win. He has no excuse not winning in Miami. Maybe he gets some rings, maybe he doesn't. But until he does, he will hit a ceiling that can't be broken until he wins (and, imo, has to be the alpha dog doing so - winning Finals MVP). I'll also say this, anyone who truly enjoys basketball, should really enjoy watching this guy play. It's amazing. His athleticism, his passing ability, his freakish size and strength -- all are amazing. But he isn't clutch on the biggest stage and it's something that he will have to break to be considered the very best of the best. [/QUOTE]