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Message: [QUOTE="arrow2arinzesknee, post: 205484, member: 1876"] This is Lebrons 9th season he is now 27, its put up or shut up time. Jordan won in his 6th, 7th, 8th then took a year to play baseball, came back didnt win , then won his 10th 11th and 12th years in the league, for what its worth. It's not about a bad game or disappearing in crunch time a few times, or giving up with fatigue because you're supporting cast isn't phenomenal. it's about the lack of doing it when it matters most, he has had two finals appearances and both of them when it came down to the end he was nowhere to be found. Jordan played in 6 finals and won them all, won MVP in them all. It's the mental makeup, Lebron would rather be a facilitator than a killer and he may be one of the all time greats, but he is not in top 5 discussion because of that [/QUOTE]