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Message: [QUOTE="alphaorange, post: 357664, member: 305"] Seriously? That is a well reasoned response? If your think what I said is indeed disputable, you need to do some research. Those companies I mentioned were all real, all vibrant, and combined for tens of thousands of jobs. This isn't even counting the near complete collapse of the manufacturing base in Rochester, NY. I have lived in CNY my entire life and I know the deal. Sounds like you couldn't find your butt with GPS. Why don't you explain your data that suggests Syracuse has a vibrant middle class economy because that is who fills the stadium. Why do you think the Empire Zone was so prevalent in CNY? Get a clue, man. Oh...and the STATE fair? For two weeks out of the year offering things that you don't get other places or times? Hard to take you seriously. [/QUOTE]