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Message: [QUOTE="buffalorange, post: 4699776, member: 758"] My oldest son graduated from high school in 2009. He attended community college for three years, then transferred to a four year school. While at the four year school many of his high school friends began graduating from college. The employment picture wasn't pretty. Many of his friends had big student loans and were finding employment only at retail establishments. Part time at Lowes, Starbucks, Kohl's, etc. To be honest, my son was kind of treading water in school, not really advancing to a degree. However, he wasn't dumb. He saw what was happening to his friends and changed paths by joining the US Navy and is now a nuclear machinist mate. With no student loans. More high schools should encourage this path, or a skilled trade career. Unfortunately, too many guidance counselors are stuck in the mindset described by Clockwork Orange, college is the only path to success. [/QUOTE]