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Message: [QUOTE="TheCusian, post: 1422121, member: 2585"] We all watch the same games and have access to the same data. I'm familiar with college football. My argument was that those teams put defense first. Here are the stats to back that up: [B]Wiscy[/B] [I]Overall D/Overall O [/I] 2010: 20/21 2011: 15/14 2012: 15/65 2013: 7/18 2014: 4/22 [B]Mich State[/B] [I]Overall D/Overall O [/I] 2010: 43/53 2011: 6/56 2012: 4/97 2013: 2/81 2014: 8/11 So... let's see. For both teams the defense was better than the offense for all but 1 of the seasons [I]combined[/I]. [B]The stats back me up. [/B] Just for kicks, here are our stats: [B]Syracuse[/B] [I]Overall D/Overall O [/I] 2010: 7/97 2011: 64/90 2012: 47/17 2013: 34/86 2014: 27/116 We have done a great job of wasting very good defenses with ill-timed horrible offensive seasons. If Lester can get us into the 50-60 range this year and our defense only slips to the 30-40 range - we'll be bowling pretty easily IMO. [/QUOTE]