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Message: [QUOTE="tipphill, post: 173835"] i agree with orangepa---rutgers has done what we have not been able to do but be arrogant----they spent we criticized---mad fun etc---guess what, denial has been a dangerous and costly thing. keep saying acc--that has not and will not change anything until we catch up. but be sure to beat the same drum its working all so well for us---by the way i ahve been saying this for the past 10 yrs none listened then either. [/QUOTE]