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Message: [QUOTE="Pyle, post: 2000161, member: 137"] Defenseless? Here is the investigators description of the video turned over to him by the players. "She appears lucid, alert, somewhat playful, and fully conscious; she does not appear to be objecting to anything at this time. ... (She) sounds as though she is somewhat intoxicated, but is not slurring her words and is certainly conscious and aware of what is going on. She does not appear to be upset by the sexual activity and does not indicate that she wants it to stop ... and the sexual contact appears entirely consensual." I understand the guys who have daughters, i have two boys, and if some girl has consensual sex with them and claims rape which destroys their lives then I have a big problem with that too. Not all women are angels. My girlfriend constantly reminds me of just how gullible men are and how devious some women can really be. [/QUOTE]