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Message: [QUOTE="kirbivore, post: 228219, member: 952"] Difference between 2010 and 2012 was the overall talent in CBB was down in 2010 compared to this year. Without AO the Orange still had a 4 point lead on Butler with 3 mins. to go before three bad things happened: JB went into the stall, the no call on the Matt Howard suplex, the Butler inbounds steal where the refs missed the guy's foot on the line. Either of those goes the other way, SU survives. In the next round K-State had nothing left after their 2OT game according to coach Martin. Then they get a #5 seed Mich St. and a Duke team most would agree was not vintage that got a gift road to the final four. This year if SU can make the elite 8 and the chalk holds up they'll have to beat Sullinger, then Barnes, then Davis, which isn't likely. [/QUOTE]