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Message: [QUOTE="IthacaBarrel, post: 27454, member: 363"] Like I said, I had the pleasure of doing some business with 4-5 of his old players at ND, some played in the NFL, the others did not and they would say that Holtz was the most influential person in their life outside of their parent(s). These guys are very succesful and top notch people. They would do anything for the guy and speak of him as Marrone does Coach Mac. Like I said, he did a lot of good and I am sure he has his detractors and did some things over the years that he would take back. Recruiting violations? BFD. I can only post what I know to be true and have come in contact with. [/QUOTE]