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Message: [QUOTE="HRE Otto IV, post: 4478122, member: 5685"] They have never been the IT program in the MAC West under him. Even with Northern Illinois down they haven't taken over. He has no signature Ws. They have never been ranked. They haven't had a losing season since 2009. Since 1993 they have had one season worse than 5-7, and only 5 losing seasons total since 1987. It is a good program. He has done a good job keeping the program decent, but he hasn't been as good as Pinkel or Campbell. [/QUOTE]