Maine Player Dies

[RandomGuy]

Maine football player, 18, collapses and dies during preseason workout

Sad. Seems like every year, a freshman player dies.

With our tempo, the conditioning staff works them harder than almost all other staffs. I hold my breath every summer...

 

[Tobias Funke]

Maine football player, 18, collapses and dies during preseason workout

Sad. Seems like every year, a freshman player dies.

With our tempo, the conditioning staff works them harder than almost all other staffs. I hold my breath every summer...

I think that working hard can be mistaken for working long. Working hard is ok, but often in these cases the coaches are subjecting the players to prolonged time in the heat without access to hydration. One would hope that our school and others are recognizing that there is a better way to workout than how our fathers did it.

 

[Pyle]

I think that working hard can be mistaken for working long. Working hard is ok, but often in these cases the coaches are subjecting the players to prolonged time in the heat without access to hydration. One would hope that our school and others are recognizing that there is a better way to workout than how our fathers did it.

The workout session had only been gong on for 15 minutes when this kid collapsed and it was only 74 degrees in Maine yesterday. I think autopsy will point to some type of pre-existing condition. Terribly sad, wish their team all the best this season.

 

[RandomGuy]

Yes. A likely pre-existing condition. Although, it would be nice if the NCAA actively protected their players from health risk, the same as they protect them from getting an unsanctioned free meal...

This June, a Maryland player died.
Maryland offensive lineman Jordan McNair died of heatstroke, according to family's foundation

Last year, a Kent State player.
Coroner rules Kent State football player Tyler Heintz died of exertional heat stroke

Those are the first 2 that come to mind, but there are more. It's not just ambient temperature, it's exertional heat stroke.

It seems easy enough to give each newcomer a Stress test, to see how much they are capable of, before they become a risk. Or maybe take a quick temperature on a water break, to make sure no one is at risk.

Seems easy enough. What am I missing?

 

[Ish88888]

The workout session had only been gong on for 15 minutes when this kid collapsed and it was only 74 degrees in Maine yesterday. I think autopsy will point to some type of pre-existing condition. Terribly sad, wish their team all the best this season.

Very true, sometimes with athletes its an obstructive cardiomyopathy where the heart tissue grows in the wrong places and obstructs blood from exiting the left ventricle into the aorta. Same thing that took gathers and bias. Sad.

 

[Finwad32]

Absolutely crazy to me that just 15/16 years ago, if we were having a bad practice that water withholding was an acceptable punishment.

I remember 2-a-days where we only received one water break throughout both practices. There was lunch in between to get hydrated, but still.

I don't know how this type of thing didn't happen more back then. We did have one player suffer a heat stroke my Sr. Year, that was when that punishment ended for good.

Man, this game's come a long way, unfortunately it's taken some horrifying circumstances.

 

[NJCuse97]

Yes. A likely pre-existing condition. Although, it would be nice if the NCAA actively protected their players from health risk, the same as they protect them from getting an unsanctioned free meal...

This June, a Maryland player died.
Maryland offensive lineman Jordan McNair died of heatstroke, according to family's foundation

Last year, a Kent State player.
Coroner rules Kent State football player Tyler Heintz died of exertional heat stroke

Those are the first 2 that come to mind, but there are more. It's not just ambient temperature, it's exertional heat stroke.

It seems easy enough to give each newcomer a Stress test, to see how much they are capable of, before they become a risk. Or maybe take a quick temperature on a water break, to make sure no one is at risk.

Seems easy enough. What am I missing?

Don’t forget our own Koda Martin was hospitalized with heat stroke just prior to joining us.

 

[CuseLegacy]

Yes. A likely pre-existing condition. Although, it would be nice if the NCAA actively protected their players from health risk, the same as they protect them from getting an unsanctioned free meal...

This June, a Maryland player died.
Maryland offensive lineman Jordan McNair died of heatstroke, according to family's foundation

Last year, a Kent State player.
Coroner rules Kent State football player Tyler Heintz died of exertional heat stroke

Those are the first 2 that come to mind, but there are more. It's not just ambient temperature, it's exertional heat stroke.

It seems easy enough to give each newcomer a Stress test, to see how much they are capable of, before they become a risk. Or maybe take a quick temperature on a water break, to make sure no one is at risk.

Seems easy enough. What am I missing?

There have been deaths in the past from conditions one would think would have been caught with a medical exam...like sickle cell.

Sickle cell trait can be surprise killer

 

[RandomGuy]

To the SU medical staff's credit... They stopped a transfer from coming, last year, when they discovered a heart condition. That could have ended in tragedy.

Does anyone know if there is an NCAA heat stroke protocol? With $16 infrared thermometers, able to take temperature in a second, it seems like it would be easy to find those that are at greater risk of heat stroke..

Looks like Maryland is getting sued. Damages could be $20-$30 million.
31 over exertion deaths Since 2000. 35 deaths total. Whoops. 37.

 

[jgeorge322]

Absolutely crazy to me that just 15/16 years ago, if we were having a bad practice that water withholding was an acceptable punishment.

I remember 2-a-days where we only received one water break throughout both practices. There was lunch in between to get hydrated, but still.

I don't know how this type of thing didn't happen more back then. We did have one player suffer a heat stroke my Sr. Year, that was when that punishment ended for good.

Man, this game's come a long way, unfortunately it's taken some horrifying circumstances.

Yea the whole water makes you weak speech from remember the titans didnt age so well

 

[leftytg]

To the SU medical staff's credit... They stopped a transfer from coming, last year, when they discovered a heart condition. That could have ended in tragedy.

Does anyone know if there is an NCAA heat stroke protocol? With $16 infrared thermometers, able to take temperature in a second, it seems like it would be easy to find those that are at greater risk of heat stroke..

Looks like Maryland is getting sued. Damages could be $20-$30 million.
31 over exertion deaths Since 2000. 35 deaths total. Whoops. 37.

Regarding the bolded, the overwhelming response of wannabe doctors on this board to that decision was to heap blame and scorn on Dr. Tucker, amid calls for his firing and questioning of his competence.

The mob is fickle.

My wife works for one of the big, blue blood programs providing medical care to players. All incoming freshmen get full cardiac exams prior to being able to practice, and they've caught some pretty serious things that resulted in DQ's where symptoms hadn't yet presented. I don't think every school does that (have no idea about Syracuse).

 

[RandomGuy]

Exertional Heat Illness in American Football Players: When Is the Risk Greatest?

123 deaths from Exertional Heat Illness(EHI) from 1960-2009.

That # is increasing, not decreasing.

In the south, over 3 cases of EHI per 1000(Koda Martin)

Nationally, 1.5 cases per 1000.

First 7 days of S+C are the most Dangerous, with the first 2 weeks reporting the most cases.

The leading cause of football death, is also the most preventable, and yet...

 

[kirbivore]

Maine football player, 18, collapses and dies during preseason workout

Sad. Seems like every year, a freshman player dies.

With our tempo, the conditioning staff works them harder than almost all other staffs. I hold my breath every summer...

I worry about that much less now that Hicks is no longer involved with them

 

[RandomGuy]

I worry about that much less now that Hicks is no longer involved with them

With a tougher conditioning program...it seems like an increased risk.

With the study posted, it seems like the NCAA could address the 14 day danger period. Either with ramping up, over those 2 weeks, or inexpensive temperature monitoring. I'm no doctor, but it seems the latter would be definitively safer.

I wonder if the Maryland, and Kent State deaths , result in $30 million each(estimated online settlement), if better protocols for player safety will be put in place?

BTW. If $30 mil is the settlement...That would calculate to $3billion, 690million for the 123 heat stroke deaths...

 

[CuseLegacy]

Again an undetected pre-existing condition.

 

[bcubs9497]

Regarding the bolded, the overwhelming response of wannabe doctors on this board to that decision was to heap blame and scorn on Dr. Tucker, amid calls for his firing and questioning of his competence.

The mob is fickle.

My wife works for one of the big, blue blood programs providing medical care to players. All incoming freshmen get full cardiac exams prior to being able to practice, and they've caught some pretty serious things that resulted in DQ's where symptoms hadn't yet presented. I don't think every school does that (have no idea about Syracuse).

Giant leg into tiny brace...

 

[Ish88888]

To the SU medical staff's credit... They stopped a transfer from coming, last year, when they discovered a heart condition. That could have ended in tragedy.

Does anyone know if there is an NCAA heat stroke protocol? With $16 infrared thermometers, able to take temperature in a second, it seems like it would be easy to find those that are at greater risk of heat stroke..

Looks like Maryland is getting sued. Damages could be $20-$30 million.
31 over exertion deaths Since 2000. 35 deaths total. Whoops. 37.

Its a delicate line. We have been lucky . Pre-hydration is the key. And our staff is on top of that. If it isn't dehydration, its usually a congenital defect first manifesting which is a severe value problem or a condition known as obstructive hypertrophic cardiomyopathy which is basically the heart enlarging on the inside and obstructing blood leaving the ventricle and getting into the aorta. Thats what took Len Bias. Good health to all our kids

 

[RandomGuy]

Seems like it would be better to be sure, than lucky...