Man V Zone - Part 132,743...

[newmexicuse]

Just curious - when Marquette was making that huge run in the second half - how many out there wanted to see some man just to mix things up for a couple of possessions.

One vote here.

 

[OrangeMuskyFish]

I could be wrong because I was flipping back and forth to the football game at that point of the game, but I seem to remember Marquette getting to break out in transition quite a bit during their run, mostly due to dumb quick shots from deep and stupid turnovers by us. So neither man nor press would have helped us in that sort of situation. Then with the momentum they started dropping a couple tough shots.

 

[4evaOrange]

I agree with musky, we were taking a lot of 3s, and the misses were coming out to them and they were pushing as soon as the got it, we than also had some turnovers as well. But I dont think switching it up would been any better, could've been worse...

 

[moqui]

I could be wrong because I was flipping back and forth to the football game at that point of the game, but I seem to remember Marquette getting to break out in transition quite a bit during their run, mostly due to dumb quick shots from deep and stupid turnovers by us. So neither man nor press would have helped us in that sort of situation. Then with the momentum they started dropping a couple tough shots.

yup . . . the poor half court offense was the culprit

the key to stopping a run is to limit your own empty possessions.

 

[BlueCurtain]

this debate will be moot with the following exceptions: Jan 16, March 3, and whoever the sweet 16 matchup is.

 

[dasher]

Blue, have you said one positive word this season?

 

[orangefan13]

My two cents...
This team needed to play better defense, not so much uptempo defense.

We needed to stop their penetration a dribble or two earlier, cause some ball fakes, trap some more, cause longer passes, and get one hand out more when guarding.
We did absolutely very little of those things in the second half. And all 5 of those things are good for 6-12 points a game. Which leaves me as concerned as I have been with teams hurting us this year from the free throw line where they are averaging 4 more points a game then they usually do lately.

That a total of about 30 points minimum.

On a plus though we did outrebound MU and on the offensive end as well . Of course hard not to outrebound on the ofensive end when you get hit on the arm and bodied without calls as much as we did (and the rebounding stats probably showed that story). Thank God we made our free throws in that reguard.

THis year we are hearing the announcers say good ball fakes help beat the zone. Dissagree I think short quick passes without having to use ballfakes are more dangerous. Just my two cents though. Building that confidence that the zone isn't tough enough to push you around its perimeters more. We didn't get that done. Of course good shooting is always a culprit to, and we need to be more valiant about the opposition cheating.

Pushing off with offhands, setting illegal screens, illegal boxing out screens in the paint and cheating with our bigs in the middle. 3 seconds becoming 8. Things like that matter Big Time. Especially to the oppositions confidence. Can't allow cheating and cheating is allowed through momentum. Have to battle verbally about those things as a player but never get frustrated thats the coaches and fans job instead.

We won Im not upset but thats a long laundry list that adds up to about 35 points for us above. If you think those things don't matter then once someone plays basketball like MU did for two halfs against us we aren't going to be that good and could get a wake up call. And it will be on the defense more then the offense keeping it a close game.

IMO I hope our guys got a semi wakeup call about how underating the need for defense in 20 point leads against MU at halftime. MU had us outscored by 15 points in the second half at one point. That translates to a 30 point loss with two good halfs if we don't take that seriously backing up the stats I put out above.

MU put up 47 second half points thats wayyyyy to many.

 

[OrangeCrush22]

We've had by far the best defense in the country this season. Don't @ck with it.

 

[kirbivore]

this debate will be moot with the following exceptions: Jan 16, March 3, and whoever the sweet 16 matchup is.

0 for 1

 

[BlueCurtain]

0 for 1

so you're saying we couldn't have used a bit of a change-up when marquette went on that 19-5 tear to almost tie the game in the 2nd half?

 

[Marsh01]

Blue, have you said one positive word this season?

This season? How about ever?

It's funny how one the word "Man" or "Zone" is listed under a post who shows up.

 

[pfister1]

so you're saying we couldn't have used a bit of a change-up when marquette went on that 19-5 tear to almost tie the game in the 2nd half?

Pretty sure he's saying that the debate is now moot with respect to one of your three dates.

Just curious why people are white on bone about switching to man to man to stop runs, yet when poor shot selection oftentimes contributes to those runs you aren't just as white on bone about running a different offense in order to improve the shots that we are getting in the half court? If we were matching them basket for basket it wouldn't have been a run.

 

[stuckinbig11]

Just curious - when Marquette was making that huge run in the second half - how many out there wanted to see some man just to mix things up for a couple of possessions.

One vote here.

No way in hell.

 

[BleedsOrange44]

so you're saying we couldn't have used a bit of a change-up when marquette went on that 19-5 tear to almost tie the game in the 2nd half?

That's correct. Defense wasn't the problem during that run. Half-Court offense was. Changing our defense wouldn't have fixed the half-court offensive issues.

We play zone. It's our defense. 99% of the time we play that. The other 1% of the time we press, and when the press is broken we fall back into a zone. It's not even worth debating. Our defense is one of, if not the, best in the country.

 

[Marsh01]

so you're saying we couldn't have used a bit of a change-up when marquette went on that 19-5 tear to almost tie the game in the 2nd half?

Exactly

 

[Marsh01]

That's correct. Defense wasn't the problem during that run. Half-Court offense was. Changing our defense wouldn't have fixed the half-court offensive issues.

We play zone. It's our defense. 99% of the time we play that. The other 1% of the time we press, and when the press is broken we fall back into a zone. It's not even worth debating. Our defense is one of, if not the, best in the country.

I love how when teams go on a run all of a sudden its our defense that is the problem. Spot on with the half court offense issues. Do people actually pay attention during the games or use the force?

 

[ImperialOrange]

Zone. End debate forever unless we start recruiting 5'8 guards.

 

[Shermthegeneral]

in past years I would have said to switch to man to change it up a bit but the new wrinkle they put in has made it much harder to get open 3's

 

[tbonezone]

if i concede the man/zone debate will you all also acknowledge that going 10 deep is better than 7???? ladies????

 

[BleedsOrange44]

if i concede the man/zone debate will you all also acknowledge that 10 deep is better than 7????

I've never been opposed to playing 10, but only if all 10 can play/contribute. I've never agreed with throwing guys out there that can't play "just to play more than 7."

 

[SWC75]

this debate will be moot with the following exceptions: Jan 16, March 3, and whoever the sweet 16 matchup is.

Are you enjoying this season? Just wondering.

 

[orangefan13]

IMO Playing 10 is about the level of talent and what year those behind them are also.

If you have three near all american seniors(none being a center) at different positions then they should average 34 mpg apiece. That gives the rest of the team roughly 100 minutes to split. Which is still Alot of minutes.

 

[tbonezone]

well just so happens i'm also a big nascar fan and i've seen several races where a lesser car with fresh tires will run down and pass a better car on old skins. you certainly can allow yourself to go harder for 20 minutes rather than say 38.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Did anyone ask Roy Williams why he didn't switch to zone against FSU?

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[kirbivore]

BlueCurtain said: ↑

this debate will be moot with the following exceptions: Jan 16, March 3, and whoever the sweet 16 matchup is.​

so you're saying we couldn't have used a bit of a change-up when marquette went on that 19-5 tear to almost tie the game in the 2nd half?

Just commenting on your prediction SU would lose the Pitt game. That one must have hurt. I'm sure you are aware they are playing Louisville twice this year, which means you must like the Orangemen's chances at the chicken shack on Feb 13.