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Message: [QUOTE="SWC75, post: 2840020, member: 289"] [URL="https://www.billjamesonline.com/article1390/"]Raising Hal | Articles | Bill James Online[/URL] This article by Bill James discusses Baines. Most of it is about a method he uses to imagine if his numbers were "bunched" like the players similar to him, especially Tony Perez. I find that part of it a little dense. But his point that Baines, due to his aching knees, rarely played full seasons is relevant. That might have kept him out of MVP races. if you look at the "per 162 games" line for the similar players who are in the Hall of Fame, it's interesting: Baines: .289 with 22 home runs 93 rbi 74 runs scored 264 total bases [URL="https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/baineha01.shtml"]Harold Baines Stats | Baseball-Reference.com[/URL] Perez: .279 22 home runs 96rbi 74 runs scored 264 total bases [URL="https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/perezto01.shtml"]Tony Perez Stats | Baseball-Reference.com[/URL] Kaline: .297 23 home runs 90rbi 932 runs scored 271 total bases [URL="https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kalinal01.shtml"]Al Kaline Stats | Baseball-Reference.com[/URL] Williams: .290 28 home runs 96rbi 92 runs scored 299 total bases [URL="https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/willibi01.shtml"]Billy Williams Stats | Baseball-Reference.com[/URL] Dawson: .279 27 home runs 98rbi 85 runs scored 295 total bases [URL="https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dawsoan01.shtml"]Andre Dawson Stats | Baseball-Reference.com[/URL] Baines' numbers are almost identical to Perez, who played on high profile teams full of star players. They are only slightly worse than Kaline's. Williams and Dawson were clearly better but not by so much that Baines couldn't join them in this group. Did Baines' hits, homers, rbis, runs scored and bases count any less than theirs? Were their impact on games somehow less? They are all in the Hall of Fame. [/QUOTE]

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