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Message: [QUOTE="Cowtown, post: 2841947, member: 2350"] No argument here. I also think you covered earlier something that can't be quantified, which is the defenses. Rivers has never had that kind of defense to back him up. Someone here earlier made the observation that Rivers is a jerk on the field, but I don't think I see it that way. Rivers is one of the utmost competitors I've ever seen play QB. He's obviously a driving force and it's clear to me much of what success the Chargers have had over the years is because he is such a driven leader. I don't think he's ever gone into a game thinking he/they couldn't win it. [/QUOTE]