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Message: [QUOTE="SWC75, post: 239985, member: 289"] This is from a prior post: Here is a summary of seeding vs. achievement since the seedings began in 1979. 1 seed means you are projected to make the Final Four 2 seed means you are projected to make the Elite 8 3 or 4 seed means you are projected to make the Sweet 16 5, 6, 7, or 8 seed means you are projected to make the Round of 32 Below 8 seed means you are projected to lose in the first round 1979 We were a 4 seed and lost in the Sweet 16 = Even 1980 We were a 1 seed that lost in the Sweet 16 = -2 rounds 1983 We were a 6 seed that lost in the Round of 32 = Even 1984 We were a 3 seed that lost in the Sweet 16 = Even 1985 We were a 7 seed that lost in the Round of 32 = Even 1986 We were a 2 seed that lost in the Round of 32 = -2 rounds 1987 We were a 2 seed that made it to the National Championship game = +2 rounds 1988 We were a 3 seed that lost in the Round of 32 = -1 round 1989 We were a 2 seed that lost in the Elite 8 = Even 1990 We were a 2 seed that lost in the Sweet 16 = -1 round 1991 We were a 2 seed that lost in the Round of 64 = -3 rounds 1992 We were a 6 seed that lost in the Round of 32 = Even 1994 We were a 4 seed that lost in the Sweet 16 = Even 1995 We were a 7 seed that lost in the Round of 32 = Even 1996 We were a 4 seed that made it to the National Championship game = +3 rounds 1998 We were a 5 seed that lost in the Sweet 16 = +1 round 1999 We were an 8 see that lost in the Round of 64 = -1 round 2000 We were a 2 seed that lost in the Sweet 16 = Even 2001 We were a 5 seed that lost in the Round of 32 = Even 2003 We were a 3 seed that won the National Championship = +4 rounds 2004 We were a 5 seed that lost in the Sweet 16 = Even 2005 We were a 4 seed that lost in the Round of 64 = -2 rounds 2006 We were a 5 seed that lost in the Round of 64 = -1 rounds 2009 We were a 3 seed that lost in the Sweet 16 = Even 2010 We were a 1 seed that lost in the Sweet 16 = -2 rounds 2011 We were a 3 seed that lost in the Round of 32 = -1 round Totals: 26 tournaments. We broke even 12 times. We exceeded our seed 4 times and came up short 10 times. Our net achievement compared to the round we were supposed to lose in was -6 rounds. We were even at the point where we had won the national championship. Of course some of our losses in the “even” years were to lower-seeded teams that had pulled off upsets in earlier rounds so we might still have expected to beat those teams. That was the case in 1979, 1984 and 2004. In none of the four “positive” years did we lose to a lower (worse) seed. Another way to look at it is this: From 1977-86: (In 1977-78 there were no seedings but we lost to lower ranked teams.) We exceeded our ranking/seeding zero times. We were even with our seeding in 1979, 1983, 1984 and 1985 but the 1979 and 1984 teams lost to lower seeded teams- we jsut did it in the round we were projected to lose in anyway. We lost before we were expected to in 1977, 1978, 1980 and 1986. From 1987-2003 We exceeded our seed in 1987, 1996, 1998 and 2003 We matched our seed in 1989, 1992, 1994, 1995, 2000, 2001. None of the losses were to lower seeded teams. We lost before we were expected to in 1988, 1990, 1991 and 1999 From 2004 onward We have not exceeded our seed. We matched our seeding in 2004 and 2009 but lost to a lower seeded team in 2004. We lost before we were expected to in 2005, 2006, 2010 and 2011 I think most Syracuse fans have learned to brace themsleves for disappointment based on recent results. Wisconsin is a formidable oppoenent but, even with no Fab, I think we are expected to win this game. Ohio State is a #2 seed but would have been #1 if the Fab announcement had been made before the seedings and I don't think people would be surprized to lose to them. So based on recent results, maybe we should 'expect' to lose to Wisconsin. Why we were so bad vs. seeding/ranking in 1977-86 and in 2004-2011, i don't know. We were much better in 1987-2003 but 5 even years, 4+ years and 4- years is not an exceptional performance. of course, if you tend to have highly seeded teams, it's harder to exceed your seed and easier to fall short of it. If you are a #1 seed you are expected to win at least 4 games. #2 seeds are supposed to win 3 games. #3-4 seeds are supposed to win 2 games. As we have seen that's not easy to do, even for a very good team. I just wonder if things are about to change again and maybe we will at elast match our seed this year and in future years or if we will continute to end the season with disappointment. I have no idea what, if anything, controls these things. [/QUOTE]

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