Watching Sanchez play for the Eagles and how he played for the Jets I can see how basically the same player can have success in a system that is made for success. I see the SU offense as so much more like the Jets than I do Philly. Field position, don't make a mistake and plod along. I don't think Lester is the answer and would love to see him succeed but to me it's going to be the same old same old. I realize injuries have skewed what we saw plus a system that wasn't his but I see old school football and will be pleasantly surprised if I'm wrong. I really hope I am.
Mark Sanchez Jets and Philly...coaching or talent?
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It was surreal as (unfortunately) a Jets fan watching Sanchez do so well after his inglorious end in NY. Further solidifies in my mind the bad organization that is the Jets from top to bottom.
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It is hard to know what a coach will become. Past success is not a reliable indicator nor are past failures. Just about all coaches at these levels will impress you with their knowledge of x's and o's, but most cannot create something themselves - they just copy someone else's work. Most cannot make the transition from coordinator to HC. Most cannot handle the limelight or the pressure.
We easily ridicule coaches and coaching hires but these decisions are very hard to get right. NFL coaches moving to the college ranks have had some spectacular failures - why? Because it is not all about x's and o's. Bobby Nick Saban, Steve Spurrier, Petrino and other big college names flunked out of the pros - why? Because it is not all about the Johnnies and the Joes.
Everybody is gaga over Chip Kelly, but who would really hire him as an OC of a FBS program from a D-1AA/FCS Northeastern school? Not many.
So many posters here want someone with HC experience - Kelly had none before being promoted to HC at Oregon. So many posters here want an OC with FBS experience, Kelly had none before being hired as OC at Oregon.
As we have seen so often, there is a dark side to these so-called geniuses. They need players to execute their systems and many will break the rules to get them.
"NCAA sanctions
On April 16, 2013, the Oregonian reported that the University of Oregon has offered to put its football program on two years probation in response to NCAA violations that allegedly took place during Kelly's tenure as head coach.[19] On June 26, 2013 the NCAA Committee on Infractions issued its report concluding the investigation into Oregon's use of football scouting services. Oregon received 3 years of probation, reduction of scholarships, but no bowl ban. Kelly received an 18-month show-cause penalty, which would make his hiring by another NCAA institution difficult; Kelly had already left the NCAA for the NFL."
On April 16, 2013, the Oregonian reported that the University of Oregon has offered to put its football program on two years probation in response to NCAA violations that allegedly took place during Kelly's tenure as head coach.[19] On June 26, 2013 the NCAA Committee on Infractions issued its report concluding the investigation into Oregon's use of football scouting services. Oregon received 3 years of probation, reduction of scholarships, but no bowl ban. Kelly received an 18-month show-cause penalty, which would make his hiring by another NCAA institution difficult; Kelly had already left the NCAA for the NFL."
The list of coaching hires at major programs that now look like big mistakes is very long.
I have a simple threshold test for coaches at any level - would I want my son to play for him? Shafer and Lester seem to pass that test. After that it is a crap shoot.
There must be Gump in me Crusty because I'm not really sure what your point is. Kelly is succeeding in the NFL where Saban, Spurrier and Petrino failed.
And of course I would like my son to play for a man like Shafer but that isn't my point either. It's offense and how to make the parts work with precision.
And of course I would like my son to play for a man like Shafer but that isn't my point either. It's offense and how to make the parts work with precision.
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How to make the parts work with precision is about coaching. Only pointing out how difficult the coaching hire decision is to make - so much luck involved. Lester might be a genius or just a D-3 coach. Impossible to know at this point.
My other point is that Kelly is a good coach but he was dirty and I don't want to win that badly.
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The best things Kelly does in my opinion are the way he monitors the players and adjusts his training accordingly, and the way he adjusts his schemes. The fact that he doesn't try and preach toughness, but instead talks about taking care of the body and getting the proper rest/nutrition is a big reason why his teams succeed.
For his offense, he works to try and create confusion with personnel/formations, which are designed to put players in positions to have 1 on 1 match-ups in space.
For his offense, he works to try and create confusion with personnel/formations, which are designed to put players in positions to have 1 on 1 match-ups in space.
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It's both coaching and talent in this case.
Gotcha. I'm not saying I want Kelly just his knowledge. As for Lester, I agree we don't know and we shall see.
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Eagles have great talent but Kelly was/is able to make average talent look remarkable. Kevin Sumlin is similar and expect he'll be headed up to the NFL soon.
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The more and more I get depressed about the season the more my opinion has changed about this... I think we have the talent to be a decent team or better. Coaching hasn't gotten it done, especially or specifically on the offensive side of the ball. We have multiple players that haven't done so far but have some talent. Enough at least to produce a decent offense collectively. It's not the players who aren't making plays (minus the TD drops by Lewis and Broyld obviously) it's the coaches who aren't putting them into position to make easy plays by offensive design and coaching techniques.
There is so much more that could be written but it's nice out and it's too early to ruin the day. But I am 100% in the camp that this season is all about coaching and not lack of talent. We have more than enough pieces on defense, offensive line, and at best average RB's/WR's to field a better looking product than we are seeing.
There is so much more that could be written but it's nice out and it's too early to ruin the day. But I am 100% in the camp that this season is all about coaching and not lack of talent. We have more than enough pieces on defense, offensive line, and at best average RB's/WR's to field a better looking product than we are seeing.
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