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Message: [QUOTE="IthacaBarrel, post: 1384050, member: 363"] I agree and Marrone's teams made mistakes but there were games that were just so well orchestrated WVU ( 3 x), first game was ugly but what a huge win that was. Rutgers his first year, Louisville in the dome, the run his last 5 games his last year. Shafer doesn't have one of those games in 2 years. Good bowl win, I guess but that is it. Shafer has a lot of work to do. He needs to figure out the offense and until Washington verballed here, I don't think the recruiting has been anything but average by either Marrone or Shafer. I think it can get better with Shafer but he needs to provit it on the field. Marrone was proving that he was building a winner and by the end of the 4th year, you could see the tide on the recruiting front slowly beginning to turn and then it went away. [/QUOTE]