Marrone was a little confused?

[cuseguy]

Did anyone listen closely to Marrone's post-game presser? He said they went for the 42-yard field goal with about 12 minutes to go because it would cut the lead to six and make it a one possession game. He said he believed that Cincy was up nine at the time. They were, in fact, up 11 at the time, and while a field goal would have made it a one possession game, SU would have needed to score again AND make a 2-point conversion just to tie it. I wonder if Doug was just a little confused and tired in the post-game presser or if he really thought at the time of the field goal that SU was down nine instead of 11.

 

[690West]

Misspoke. He knew the field goal would cut it to 8. He spends the entire game staring at the scoreboard.

 

[cuseguy]

That's what I figured. It just jumped out at me.

 

[Chip]

Did anyone listen closely to Marrone's post-game presser? He said they went for the 42-yard field goal with about 12 minutes to go because it would cut the lead to six and make it a one posession game. He said he believed that Cincy was up nine at the time. They were, in fact, up 11 at the time, and while a field goal would have made it a one posession game, SU would have needed to score again AND make a 2-point conversion just to tie it. I wonder if Doug was just a little confused and tired in the post-game presser or if he really thought at the time of the field goal that SU was down nine instead of 11.

So it was a real quote. Siiiiiigh... I honestly can't believe this isn't a 100000X bigger topic than the refs. All those binders, all those stats, can't keep up with a scoreboard during a game? We could have easily converted that 4th and 2 and then who knows what.

I'm pro-Marrone but this is a monster sized concern. I'm not sure how anyone could see it or spin it differently.

 

[Chip]

Misspoke. He knew the field goal would cut it to 8. He spends the entire game staring at the scoreboard.

Well, not quite as bad, but still shows no feel for probabilities. You have the #24 offense in the country and you put it on the kicking team who rarely makes road field goals?

I don't know, I kinda think he did believe he'd get it to 6.

 

[690West]

Well, not quite as bad, but still shows no feel for probabilities. You have the #24 offense in the country and you put it on the kicking team who rarely makes road field goals?

I don't know, I kinda think he did believe he'd get it to 6.

Either way, the point is that you have to go for it there. That's the main issue

 

[cuseguy]

Well, not quite as bad, but still shows no feel for probabilities. You have the #24 offense in the country and you put it on the kicking team who rarely makes road field goals?

I don't know, I kinda think he did believe he'd get it to 6.

He could very well have misspoke. 690West seems to think he did. I'd like to see proof that he misspoke. That's the only record I've see that he thought that way. It was clear at the time that the game had become a shootout and yet Marrone decided it was time to play chess.

 

[kingottoiii]

So it was a real quote. Siiiiiigh... I honestly can't believe this isn't a 100000X bigger topic than the refs. All those binders, all those stats, can't keep up with a scoreboard during a game? We could have easily converted that 4th and 2 and then who knows what.

I'm pro-Marrone but this is a monster sized concern. I'm not sure how anyone could see it or spin it differently.

His reasoning is the same whether it be an 11 or 9 point game. He wanted to get it down to 1 score. Hopefully he just misremembered. What is more concerning is what he said after. First he said had they been a few more yards out then he would have went for it. So 4th and 5 from the 27 you go for it but kick on 4th and 3 from the 25? Second he said kicking a FG there is what he had written before the game. Seriously you go by notes of when to go and when not to and do not take into account what is actually happening? The D was struggling at that point. I had no faith that a good FG to cut it to 8 points would mean the D would make a stop and give the ball to the O down only 8. We needed a TD there and then hope that the D could hold Cincy to a FG or less. That was realistic. Not that the D would get a stop.

 

[kingottoiii]

Also the other 4th down should get more discussion as well. We were down 11 with not much time left. Cincy was running it all over us and we thought we could make a stop?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

His reasoning is the same whether it be an 11 or 9 point game. He wanted to get it down to 1 score. Hopefully he just misremembered. What is more concerning is what he said after. First he said had they been a few more yards out then he would have went for it. So 4th and 5 from the 27 you go for it but kick on 4th and 3 from the 25? Second he said kicking a FG there is what he had written before the game. Seriously you go by notes of when to go and when not to and do not take into account what is actually happening? The D was struggling at that point. I had no faith that a good FG to cut it to 8 points would mean the D would make a stop and give the ball to the O down only 8. We needed a TD there and then hope that the D could hold Cincy to a FG or less. That was realistic. Not that the D would get a stop.

Marrone watches Krautman warm up before the game. He has a good idea what's in Krautman's wheelhouse, and what's out of range.

Taking the field conditions into consideration, Marrone felt that a 42 yarder was makeable.

Sadly, the kick was pulled a little left. It wasn't blocked, and it didn't come up short.

Had SU been on the 30 instead of the 25, maybe a 47 yarder was out of the question yesterday.

The Pitt kicker made a 41 yarder in the 1st OT, but missed an easier 33 yarder to win in the 2nd OT. Both TCU and WV missed 36 yarders in OT. Even Oregon missed a 40 yarder. happens.

 

[kingottoiii]

The Pitt kicker made a 41 yarder in the 1st OT, but missed an easier 33 yarder to win in the 2nd OT. Both TCU and WV missed 36 yarders in OT. Even Oregon missed a 40 yarder. happens.

Exactly. College FG kickers are unreliable. When it is raining and you already had one blocked, it makes little sense to kick one there. NFL mentality.

 

[ssbriefcase]

Was Krautman warming up in the rain or as hard a rain? If not, I believe that's what people refer to as 'having no feel for the game.'

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Exactly. College FG kickers are unreliable. When it is raining and you already had one blocked, it makes little sense to kick one there. NFL mentality.

If he made 8 out of 9 from 40 yards in pre-game warmups (in the rain), would you think that he was unreliable?

It's not like he couldn't hit the broadside of a barn in practice, and Marrone sent him out anyways. Marrone felt he had a higher probability of success with a 42 yard FG than by running a play on 4th and 3.

Sometimes the binder lies.

 

[dollarbill44]

Was Krautman warming up in the rain or as hard a rain? If not, I believe that's what people refer to as 'having no feel for the game.'

The rain had nothing to do with him missing the kick. The snap, hold and plant were all good and he hit the ball soldly. He just missed. If you want to knock Marrone for not going for it, that's fine b/c I thought the kick was a bad choice, but don't try to use the weather to support this bs argument about no "feel for the game."
"Feel for the game" is just some amorphous phrase people on here have come up with because it's something you can't argue with facts (for or against).

 

[Cuseman78]

His reasoning is the same whether it be an 11 or 9 point game. He wanted to get it down to 1 score. Hopefully he just misremembered. What is more concerning is what he said after. First he said had they been a few more yards out then he would have went for it. So 4th and 5 from the 27 you go for it but kick on 4th and 3 from the 25? Second he said kicking a FG there is what he had written before the game. Seriously you go by notes of when to go and when not to and do not take into account what is actually happening? The D was struggling at that point. I had no faith that a good FG to cut it to 8 points would mean the D would make a stop and give the ball to the O down only 8. We needed a TD there and then hope that the D could hold Cincy to a FG or less. That was realistic. Not that the D would get a stop.

Under the same circumstance last week at USF, he went for it up 9 with 8 min left while in FG range. This week, exact opposite. It made no sense.

 

[cuseguy]

I really think that Marrone looked at the scoreboard and thought 35-24 was a nine-point deficit. Easy to do if you don't stop, think for a moment and do the math. The way our defense was playing at the time, we might have needed 40 plus points to win. Three points was pretty meaningless at that time.

 

[ssbriefcase]

The rain had nothing to do with him missing the kick. The snap, hold and plant were all good and he hit the ball soldly. He just missed. If you want to knock Marrone for not going for it, that's fine b/c I thought the kick was a bad choice, but don't try to use the weather to support this bs argument about no "feel for the game."
"Feel for the game" is just some amorphous phrase people on here have come up with because it's something you can't argue with facts (for or against).

Well if indeed it was correct that he wrote down something in pregame notes on what to do, and then had some extenuating circumstances, ie rain, then he stuck by his guns, then I stand by what I said. Or you could call it stubbornness whatever. And how do you know that rain had nothing to do with it? I know one thing, it didn't help.

 

[dollarbill44]

And how do you know that rain had nothing to do with it? I know one thing, it didn't help.

Because the kick had plenty of distance and had Krautman's normal rotation, which moves about 1 yard to the left for every 20 yards covered.

 

[Chip]

Because the kick had plenty of distance and had Krautman's normal rotation, which moves about 1 yard to the left for every 20 yards covered.

You are right that it was just a missed kick, and I would agree that you can't attribute that to the rain.

But there is still the question of whether or not the rain should play into the decision itself. Sometimes guys slip in the rain, especially those trying to plant their feet. I'm sure we have some kind of statistic on how many inches of rainfall can come down on that particular stadium's type of turf before we decide to only try field goals if they are less than 38.6 yards if there aren't more than 6 visible gray clouds.

 

[dollarbill44]

You are right that it was just a missed kick, and I would agree that you can't attribute that to the rain.

But there is still the question of whether or not the rain should play into the decision itself. Sometimes guys slip in the rain, especially those trying to plant their feet. I'm sure we have some kind of statistic on how many inches of rainfall can come down on that particular stadium's type of turf before we decide to only try field goals if they are less than 38.6 yards if there aren't more than 6 visible gray clouds.

I agree, and like I said earlier, I didn't like the call to kick the FG there. I thought that given the game situation and our struggles with FGs this season, that we should have gone for it there. I was just taking issue with the statement that this is further proof that Marrone has no "feel" for the game, whatever that term really means.

 

[Scooch]

If he made 8 out of 9 from 40 yards in pre-game warmups (in the rain), would you think that he was unreliable?

It's not like he couldn't hit the broadside of a barn in practice, and Marrone sent him out anyways. Marrone felt he had a higher probability of success with a 42 yard FG than by running a play on 4th and 3.

Sometimes the binder lies.

If I were coach I don't care who my kicker was, or how many FGs he's made in a practice or in a game, I would have gone for it. We were on the 25, if we failed at converting the 4th down it's not like we give Cincy great field position. We needed to score a TD, at some point. Do we KNOW that we'd ever get as close as the 25 again? Nope. And yet there we were, 25 yards from the end zone.

I've often thought Millhouse was a bit dramatic in saying coaches are meatheads, but I've realized he's close to the truth. These big tough men are really scared little wimps who are so risk adverse they make insurance adjusters look like Evel Kneivel.

 

[kuethstheman]

If I were coach I don't care who my kicker was, or how many FGs he's made in a practice or in a game, I would have gone for it. We were on the 25, if we failed at converting the 4th down it's not like we give Cincy great field position. We needed to score a TD, at some point. Do we KNOW that we'd ever get as close as the 25 again? Nope. And yet there we were, 25 yards from the end zone.

I've often thought Millhouse was a bit dramatic in saying coaches are meatheads, but I've realized he's close to the truth. These big tough men are really scared little wimps who are so risk adverse they make insurance adjusters look like Evel Kneivel.

If we don't get back to the 25 again, we lose unless we got the TD and Krautman kicks an even longer field goal. We have to get back to the 25 again for any of this to matter..

Just sayin'.

 

[Millhouse]

If I were coach I don't care who my kicker was, or how many FGs he's made in a practice or in a game, I would have gone for it. We were on the 25, if we failed at converting the 4th down it's not like we give Cincy great field position. We needed to score a TD, at some point. Do we KNOW that we'd ever get as close as the 25 again? Nope. And yet there we were, 25 yards from the end zone.

I've often thought Millhouse was a bit dramatic in saying coaches are meatheads, but I've realized he's close to the truth. These big tough men are really scared little wimps who are so risk adverse they make insurance adjusters look like Evel Kneivel.

risk aversion is being too nice. insurance adjusters are rational. they're taking more risk. they're just stupid.

i think concussions explain everything. the only way to coach violence is to have experienced it.

i just wish they would outsource mathematical thinking to people who aren't brain damaged and who can put it in a simple crude chart that's easy enough to understand

 

[All4SU]

Was Krautman warming up in the rain or as hard a rain? If not, I believe that's what people refer to as 'having no feel for the game.'

Until someone here has actually coached at that level, it is presumptions to believe we have any more "feel for the game" than he does. Maybe the "go for it" call would have failed too. We just don't know. I accept second guessing that he should have done this or should have done that. ButI don't accept the "no feel for the game" criticism because there is no way to prove it.

 

[Scooch]

Until someone here has actually coached at that level, it is presumptions to believe we have any more "feel for the game" than he does. Maybe the "go for it" call would have failed too. We just don't know. I accept second guessing that he should have done this or should have done that. ButI don't accept the "no feel for the game" criticism because there is no way to prove it.

I watch a lot of football

I watch too much football.

Marrone isn't uniquely bad in his "feel for the game", but he's about as bad as most coaches.