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Message: [QUOTE="orangenirvana, post: 803120, member: 156"] I used "dominate" because it seems that is what your expectations were considering your reaction to his play to this point. So what is "halfway decent" to you? Because a rational person would consider what Manuel had done before injuring his knee vs. the Browns was "halfway decent." He became the first rookie quarterback to post a passer rating of at least 89.0 in his first two games. He led a last minute game-winning touchdown against one of the best defenses in the league in his second career game. He was Top 20 in passer rating at the time he was injured (Luck was 26th as a rookie). I'm not saying Manuel wasn't horrific on Sunday. He was. But to write him off based on that game and already lump him in with Losman and Edwards is just stupid. [/QUOTE]