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Message: [QUOTE="PhatOrange, post: 2398779, member: 229"] Yes they lost some great recruits to Ohio State, Penn State and Michigan etc., but it doesn't mean Ash had a bigger rebuild than Babers. Babers inherited a roster way worse than Ash because of all of Shafer's recruiting failures and D1AA players. A roster that was just as decimated. All one needs to do is look at us basically having only 2 DEnds last year and 3 this year. The recruiting sites all said Buttgers had better recruits during Flood's years and[B] a good number of transfers/flips happened during the coaching change[/B]. Rutgers also has better facilities - we've heard that over and over for years. But truthfully i'd say both Ash and Babers have started in the same spot. Shafer handed Babers a 3-9 and 4-8 team filled with mostly kids who might not be P5 kids. [/QUOTE]