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Message: [QUOTE="Finwad32, post: 1859757, member: 651"] Had nothing to do with the point I was making. Additionally: I've sat in rooms with multiple NFL and P5 HC's... Scott Shafer was as adept a football mind as any of them. His error, and it was a big one, was hiring GM as OC. He was over his head, significantly, and it was an awkward breakup in year 2. Tim Lester, then, only had 1 year to install things, with multiple different inexperienced and young QB's to boot. If he hired a proven OC from jump, he would still be the HC here today. SS has more than enough ability and knowledge to lead a program. AGAIN... That statement was not to debate wether or not he should still be here, it was to say that we should expect MORE from Dino. [/QUOTE]