McCord

[SUfanNC]

It's okay, I've been on a roll lately. It's like in It's a Wonderful Life, "you just can't keep them Bailey boys down"!

Right after that he loses the 8k.

 

[orange79]

Did he have a hairy back (asking for Fog)?

Don't ask, don't tell.

 

[richmondcuse03]

There’s more to it than accumulating yards. He has significant weaknesses that are going to limit his draft position. If they can be improved next year here and improve his draft position significantly, combined with at least equaling what he would expect at his current draft position, strong argument for one more year here.

Realistically, I'm not sure he improves those weaknesses by returning. Is he going to drastically improve arm strength or velocity? The benefit to coming back is replicating success against a tougher schedule. Beyond that, he probably should hit the draft now.

 

[bnoro]

The fork in the road for Kyle is an interesting one:

Fork 1 - go to the NFL and likely be a day2/day3 selection as a backup or 3rd string qb and start your NFL clock.

Fork 2 - come back to SU, have the opportunity to firmly entrench yourself on SU Mt Rushmore. Potentially play for CFP / Heisman rankings, be BMOC and knee deep in you know what, make a couple milly, and have the potential to play yourself into a day1/day2 draft pick next year.


One is safe while the other is betting on yourself big time and Kyle seems like the type who’s gonna bet on himself.

Is the NFL option not the one where he's betting on himself big time?

 

[OrangeTarheel]

There’s more to it than accumulating yards. He has significant weaknesses that are going to limit his draft position. If they can be improved next year here and improve his draft position significantly, combined with at least equaling what he would expect at his current draft position, strong argument for one more year here.

That’s my hope as well.

 

[BKCuse]

If he’s a fourth rounder at best he should
Go

We are being selfish fans otherwise. The kid gave us so much. It’s best for him to go now.

So call me a selfish fan.
I love you Kyle McCord and I’m not afraid to admit it.

 

[Toga]

Also only first round draft picks get a guaranteed contract. Rounds 2 - 7 get a 4 year contract this isn't guaranteed. Currently Kyle's best draft projection is mid 4th round. That contract is work approx. $4.8M spread out over 4 years (AGAIN NO GUARANTEE). Simple math that breaks down to $1.2M / Year. His NIL deal at Syracuse will be worth more than that next year and could very well be double or more.

 

[littlereg]

Is the NFL option not the one where he's betting on himself big time?

I’d argue they both are betting on himself

 

[Red2003]

Yeah I don’t buy the 4th round is his ceiling. Guys move up and down drastically during the evaluation process. They’ll see how smart he is and what kind of leader he is, that will make a big difference to some of these GM’s. However, unless you’re a sure fire 1st or 2nd rounder. Almost anything can happen on draft day, like falling to the 6th round.

Yea this is where I'm at. Even if he has the best evaluation process ever and everyone says I love you, you're the best. Draft day comes around in 4 months and the same GM's that paid Daniel Jones a billion dollars are making decisions.

As the saying goes. Better the devil you know (than the devil you don't).

 

[SuFTW]

Also only first round draft picks get a guaranteed contract. Rounds 2 - 7 get a 4 year contract this isn't guaranteed. Currently Kyle's best draft projection is mid 4th round. That contract is work approx. $4.8M spread out over 4 years (AGAIN NO GUARANTEE). Simple math that breaks down to $1.2M / Year. His NIL deal at Syracuse will be worth more than that next year and could very well be double or more.

If Kyle went in the fourth round, his signing bonus which would be about $500,000 is guaranteed.

 

[David321]

Right after that he loses the 8k.

It worked out in the end, richest man in Bedford Falls!

 

[JRHEETER]

It worked out in the end, richest man in Bedford Falls!

*Seneca Falls

 

[MamesJungro]

If Kyle went in the fourth round, his signing bonus which would be about $500,000 is guaranteed.

Which is around 200K post-tax and agent fees. He'll be making that annually plus a bonus by the time he is in his early 30s doing B2B biz dev work for some firm with Cuse ties after our magical run next year.

COME BACK AND BE A LEGEND KYLE

 

[BomberOrange]

If the waiver was approved, I am so happy for Kyle. Now he gets to decide what is best for himself, while having all the options on the table. Would love for him to come back obviously, but the NFL is hard to turn down while the iron is hot.

 

[littlereg]

I continuously see this talk of next years draft class being “considerably worse” than next year but i just don’t see that from right now. obviously we’re over a year out and things will change, Only QB I can think of that would be a guranteed first round pick is Allar. It’s been said many times Arch won’t declare after only playing one season and will play out his eligibility but obviously that could change. Then there’s Klubnik, Lamaleava, Nussmeier, etc.

 

[DPCuse]

Which is around 200K post-tax and agent fees. He'll be making that annually plus a bonus by the time he is in his early 30s doing B2B biz dev work for some firm with Cuse ties after our magical run next year.

COME BACK AND BE A LEGEND KYLE

That's just the bonus...not his salary.

 

[SUalldway]

How about a Win/Win where Kyle stays, is in the Heisman conversation and a guaranteed NFL contact next year.

 

[Chip]

Realistically, I'm not sure he improves those weaknesses by returning. Is he going to drastically improve arm strength or velocity? The benefit to coming back is replicating success against a tougher schedule. Beyond that, he probably should hit the draft now.

Yeah, that's where I am. Mentally, he looks as good as any QB we've seen. Mobility and arm strength are likely the two areas he gets dinged. Is throwing 600 passes at Syracuse next year going to improve that?

I really really really hope he stays, but seems like a long shot. Going to take a lot of money and would mean he really likes it here, playing college ball.

 

[cusefan88]

I continuously see this talk of next years draft class being “considerably worse” than next year but i just don’t see that from right now. obviously we’re over a year out and things will change, Only QB I can think of that would be a guranteed first round pick is Allar. It’s been said many times Arch won’t declare after only playing one season and will play out his eligibility but obviously that could change. Then there’s Klubnik, Lamaleava, Nussmeier, etc.

If other eligible QBs are his bar I think next season as of now stinks. Sellers and Manning are too young. Nico from UT had a bad year. Maybe Nussmeier is good. Lots of question marks.

Whatever McCord does, he's earned unconditional support and celebration.

 

[kcsu]

There’s more to it than accumulating yards. He has significant weaknesses that are going to limit his draft position. If they can be improved next year here and improve his draft position significantly, combined with at least equaling what he would expect at his current draft position, strong argument for one more year here.

That is the argument for staying. I don't think Kyle's draft position will be hurt by staying. I believe that the odds of it improving are good. Not a sure thing but solid. He gets a guarantee pay day. Significant money and worst case ends up in about the same draft position next year. Staying seems like a solid choice.

 

[upperdeck]

The issue with the draft is that once you get beyond the rounds where the money is real good it becomes a system crap shoot. Even if 3-4 teams are real good fits that doesnt mean thats where you end up.

 

[Scott11]

The one thing we learned last year is that the NFL is not like the NBA inso far far as you have to go when you are young. Guys like Nix and Penix are considerably older than McCord, and they went back to college, improved and rose right up the draft board.

Initially, my thought was that Kyle should go to the NFL while the iron was hot but now I think it is a very tough decision.

 

[PhatOrange]

There’s more to it than accumulating yards. He has significant weaknesses that are going to limit his draft position. If they can be improved next year here and improve his draft position significantly, combined with at least equaling what he would expect at his current draft position, strong argument for one more year here.

What are his ‘significant’ weaknesses?

Its hard to find a better college QB.

 

[RF2044]

Bottom line is if this is all true, he still has a tough decision to make. Put yourselves in his shoes. When he started at Ohio St. he probably thought he would be going to the league at this point. I know some in his family are pushing for him to go to the NFL. But I also saw him in San Diego and he loves this team,, the players, the coach and the program. Does another year really help him, or is this his moment to move on? If I were him, I would not be able to sleep at night. I assume there is a lot of talking going on with NFL scouts and coaches to get a better feel. A good backup spot can lead to big things. He also knows our schedule for next season, and will he be able to shine as much? So much to think about for a young man and his entire future

All that is true. And I have little doubt that he has the utmost confidence in his capabilities, and his ability to achieve his goal of playing in the NFL.

I do however think that it isn't an either-or / black and white decision -- not anymore, with NIL. If he wasn't able to earn money now, then it would kind of be a no-brainer. Go get paid, very little to prove, tough to top leading the nation in passing yardage / completions.

But on the other hand, if the skuttlebutt he's getting from the NFL indicates that he's in the round 6 / 7 or UFA, then he has a lot to gain by coming back.

First, he can earn a 7-figure NIL amount. Second, he gets to be the man for another season. And he gets to actually flip that narrative, come into the season with a lot of hype, and play his way into the top 3 rounds -- or even better. Think: Joe Burrow, who was rated as a 6th round pick after his junior season.

The money of being a higher draft pick might make waiting an attractive alternative, given that he's compensated now.

Of course, all that gets thrown out the window if he projects as a top 4 round draft pick. If that's the case, I think he should go.

Otherwise, I think he should probably return and roll the dice on his capabilities yet again, using our high profile schedule next season to catapult himself to the top of the draft boards.

 

[PhatOrange]

He should go because his stock wont be any higher than it is right now.