McCord

[OttosShoes]

Once their 4 years are up they are still allowed to finish courses and graduate if need be.

That's right. When you sign up to be a student, it's not 5 years to study 4.

Yet, when you sign up to be a student-athlete, all of a sudden it is 5 years to play 4.

Correct, college athletics are a closed monopoly that take advantage of kids that only have one method to become pro in their sports.

Therefore college athletics should be blown up and sports should adopt an academy system like they have in association football.

I'm mostly looking at it from the other direction. The vast majority of student-athletes don't make it through the funnel to go pro; they're still in the prime of their athletic life but the sport they've always played just kind of ends as they've known it. I've been through that, it sucked. If kids want to stay a little longer (and with NIL they've more reason to!) and colleges want them to stay, I don't think it's fair for the NCAA is to say 'no'.

 

[anomander]

The team party was scheduled last month for the 18th to allow the entire team to attend due to Christmas break.
McCord’s initial eligibility request was submitted the first week of spring camp and denied almost immediately. His appeal was filed in August, with an amendment mid November. The NCAA has until February 6 to review and file a decision on the appeal, February 7 is deadline for eligible athletes to make thier decision to return or become draft-eligible. The NCAA sub committee which reviews the filings concluded that there has to be gross negligence by the athletic institutions involved (Ohio St., SU) in regards to player participation and show beyond fair preponderance of law that it was detrimental to the student athlete.
Unfortunately McCord does not fall into this category. Playing time received is not a show of negligence on behalf of the university and its proxy (Ryan Day). There was no ill-intent by playing an eligible athlete in a game.
That being said, ultimately Kyle and Syracuse are going to be denied a 5th year. However, his case and 40 plus similar cases have pushed the governing body Committee members to vote next year to make wide spread rule changes for all Division I sports to allow for 5 years eligibility.

That would be our luck to finally have a generational QB but miss out on a year of extended eligibility of 1 season.

 

[anomander]

When you have 7th and 8th year seniors now, regardless of the reason, does it really matter anymore?

They should really make it simple and say you have 5 years . 4 years of eligibility and 1 redshirt. All these medical redshirts since COIVD have made things a CF. You shouldn’t be 26 years old like Cam Rising at your 3rd school entering your 8th year of eligibility. Make it simple . 5 to play 4 and if you play 1 game your redshirt is burned and counts as a season played. No confusion. Everyone knows what their signing up for.

 

[dan7800]

They should really make it simple and say you have 5 years . 4 years of eligibility and 1 redshirt. All these medical redshirts since COIVD have made things a CF. You shouldn’t be 26 years old like Cam Rising at your 3rd school entering your 8th year of eligibility. Make it simple . 5 to play 4 and if you play 1 game your redshirt is burned and counts as a season played. No confusion. Everyone knows what their signing up for.

Agreed. How is it ok to play 3 games in two seasons (6 games total) and not have it count, but play 5 games in season and that dings you for a year?

 

[JRHEETER]

Most can and do finish in 4, and a 5 year eligibility system would further take advantage of these kids and their dreams of the next level. Once their 4 years are up they are still allowed to finish courses and graduate if need be.

I have to strongly disagree with you on this.

Most students to finish in 4 years have to take a summer or winter semester.

Most students take 12-14 credits a semester leaving them short of graduating on time unless they take one of the in between semesters.

Obviously for athletes, especially football, they can’t take the in between semester classes because usually that is some of the most intense times for practice….

Now obviously it does happen that people finish in 4 years but it’s also equally as common for people to take 5 years

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Correct, college athletics are a closed monopoly that take advantage of kids that only have one method to become pro in their sports.

Therefore college athletics should be blown up and sports should adopt an academy system like they have in association football.

That would be awful for the athletes and the schools.

The top players are more likely to be at a school 3 years. The kids staying past 4 typically have no professional future.

An academy system these kids would get paid a lot less money and have no education on top of that. Also the majority of them would never even get into an academy in the first place. So 100s of football players will have their career end TG weekend of HS.

FCS football exists. It isn't exploitation.

 

[Consigliere]

At a minimum, Day's mismanagement of his RS year (and McCord is subordinate to Day so it's not in his power to really challenge it) cost McCord the opportunity for a Grad year pre-NIL. There is a financial loss as a result. And post NIL there is an even more significant financial loss that the NCAA could remedy by granting a 6th year. This is where I'm struggling to understand how there isn't negligence.

If the Student Athlete is mismanaged by the Coach to which they are subordinate, I would think it would be the NCAA's responsibility to remedy that.

Easy to dump on Day, but Kyle was QB2 in 2021. He was in that role all year. He was inserted mid third quarter of a blow out win late in the season. ANY coach would do the same and to leave your star QB1 in and risk injury with a rivalry game coming the next week would be coaching malfeasance.

 

[CusefanATL]

If somehow it gets announced that McCord gets another year (as some say is def happening and other say is def not happening), we should all send in $44 + $6 = $50 to the NIL

 

[tep624]

Easy to dump on Day, but Kyle was QB2 in 2021. He was in that role all year. He was inserted mid third quarter of a blow out win late in the season. ANY coach would do the same and to leave your star QB1 in and risk injury with a rivalry game coming the next week would be coaching malfeasance.

He could have inserted QB3 in garbage time late in the season. End of the day, Kyle’s redshirt was burned at no fault of his own and he did suffer a loss as a result. And the NCAA has the ability to remedy it.

 

[DBCooper]

So if you were coach, how would you explain to your number 2 that despite him working his way up the depth chart, you were going to play the guy he beat out? Would you tell him it’s because you have a crystal ball and saw him years and another team later setting records, and he may need to stay on the bench due to the potential?

You tell him that you are not an idiot, so you are not going to burn a potential redshirt to insert him in a game for meaningless snaps in a blowout.

 

[Blanko97]

So if you were coach, how would you explain to your number 2 that despite him working his way up the depth chart, you were going to play the guy he beat out? Would you tell him it’s because you have a crystal ball and saw him years and another team later setting records, and he may need to stay on the bench due to the potential?

A smart coach wouldn't risk losing a year of his QB of the future over worthless snaps. Granted, Day isnt a smart coach and thats why he is on the way out at the end of their (likely short) playoff stint.

 

[javadoc]

So if you were coach, how would you explain to your number 2 that despite him working his way up the depth chart, you were going to play the guy he beat out? Would you tell him it’s because you have a crystal ball and saw him years and another team later setting records, and he may need to stay on the bench due to the potential?

That is a good question, and it points out the disjoint nature of how players' interests are fulfilled at this moment. Players are not interested solely in winning and getting a free education - they want to be compensated financially. Since the only way they can do this to their full potential is to get NIL deals, I would argue that the high-potential-earning players and the coaches' interests are now at odds - certainly at the QB position where the available PT is limited.

And there we are. It'll persist until schools pay players a direct salary, which won't remove all issues, but will hit this one squarely. In your example, and as Consigliere mentioned above (in what the coach was thinking), the QB is probably thinking that an entire year of potential earnings is not worth being put into a garbage-time game to protect the coach's interest (in winning games this year) and protecting a guy who is probably earning $$ currently, at the cost of an entire future year of his own earnings.

 

[javadoc]

In that case, the player is more than capable to tell the coach after playing the 4th game, they no longer wish to compete for that year. And they’ll subsequently sit out because they are concerned with a future possible payout. Playing your best players isn’t a bad coaching move. There’s a reason he makes the salary he has, and coaches where he does. I disagree completely with anyone stating otherwise.

Although everyone can agree it was a waste of a year, it’s still a topic that could have and I’m sure was talked about prior to the season. You don’t practice not to play. Anyone who’s ever played any sport knows this.

Agree that the (evolving) norm now would be to ask the coach not to play, to preserve the redshirt. We have examples this year of players just pulling the plug early in the season and saying, no more, I am hitting the portal, and do not want to burn my year. So while they practice to play, sometimes that means playing somewhere else, sometime later.

 

[tep624]

So if you were coach, how would you explain to your number 2 that despite him working his way up the depth chart, you were going to play the guy he beat out? Would you tell him it’s because you have a crystal ball and saw him years and another team later setting records, and he may need to stay on the bench due to the potential?

I mean if you want to take the meathead coach position be my guest.

Honestly though end of the day the reasoning doesn’t matter. McCord was subordinate to the coach and he suffered a loss as a result of a decision that wasn’t necessary. You’d have a far better argument if QB1 went out injured. Then I get it.

 

[tep624]

In that case, the player is more than capable to tell the coach after playing the 4th game, they no longer wish to compete for that year. And they’ll subsequently sit out because they are concerned with a future possible payout. Playing your best players isn’t a bad coaching move. There’s a reason he makes the salary he has, and coaches where he does. I disagree completely with anyone stating otherwise.

Although everyone can agree it was a waste of a year, it’s still a topic that could have and I’m sure was talked about prior to the season. You don’t practice not to play. Anyone who’s ever played any sport knows this.

Yeah because that would have no impact on a true freshman’s future on the depth chart. Most of these guys that are opting out of games now are doing it to enter the portal or draft, not to return to the team that they’re opting out from.

 

[tep624]

Anyone who uses the phrase “Meathead Coach” is certainly someone who has never played on any sports team at any point of their life.

Well that would be incorrect. But appreciate the assumption.

And if it’s so difficult to explain to someone that you don’t want to waste an entire year of their eligibility on unnecessary garbage time then you are a Meathead. If Day just lost track of the games played and mismanaged it, that’s one thing. If QB1 went down injured, fine. But to justify that type of usage because he was the QB2 on the depth chart - totally disagree with that.

 

[5OutFred]

On Golic's show this morning, Fran referenced "this next guy we bring in" speaking about someone who needs to be like Kyle. Not a positive sign for McCord's return from HCFB.

 

[vegasnick]

In that case, the player is more than capable to tell the coach after playing the 4th game, they no longer wish to compete for that year. And they’ll subsequently sit out because they are concerned with a future possible payout. Playing your best players isn’t a bad coaching move. There’s a reason he makes the salary he has, and coaches where he does. I disagree completely with anyone stating otherwise.

Although everyone can agree it was a waste of a year, it’s still a topic that could have and I’m sure was talked about prior to the season. You don’t practice not to play. Anyone who’s ever played any sport knows this.

PJR1045 nobody could have predicted the future at that point when his redshirt was burned. That is the whole reason for the appeal. If Kyle does in fact get granted another year, he will make $2-$3m in NIL and have the opportunity to increase his draft projections which could equate into Millions of dollars more than he would get this year. Also, he will likely be a preseason heisman contender with an opportunity to win college footballs most coveted award. The NCAA granting the waiver will have a positive impact on all involved including sponsors and the NCAA at large. As I mentioned in previous posts, Ryan Day did sign off which means much more than some want to give credit.

I will stand firm in my belief that not only will he be granted the extra year, but I the staff knows something and that is why we are seeing them address the portal the way they are.

Let me remind everyone - when Fran was asked about Kyle playing in the bowl and his presser last week, his answer could not be more clear “Kyle is going to play until the NCAA tells him he can’t”!

Let that sink in to everyone

 

[texascpa]

I guess I should have clarified that the degree programs 99% of athletes are in are four year programs?

Oh, yeah, Independent Studies. Yes, I agree.

 

[texascpa]

Correct, college athletics are a closed monopoly that take advantage of kids that only have one method to become pro in their sports.

Therefore college athletics should be blown up and sports should adopt an academy system like they have in association football.

I want to be nothing like Europe, so no thanks.

 

[orangefog]

Everyone here would love to see that happen. I just don’t agree with the cry baby complaints and demanding for their way because they think it’s “fair” and “what’s right”. Life is not fair, man up. That’s what the adults should be instilling into these kids heads.

I hope we get that one in a million shot at having Kyle back, and I hope he makes this the best season in orange history.

'I hope I can make it across the border. I hope to see my friend and shake his hand. I hope the Pacific is as blue as it has been in my dreams.
I hope..

I love how Red goes from saying "hope is a dangerous thing, my friend. It can kill a man." to that.

 

[orangefog]

I want to be nothing like Europe, so no thanks.

Don't mess with Texas.

 

[DownTheField]

I mean if you want to take the meathead coach position be my guest.

Honestly though end of the day the reasoning doesn’t matter. McCord was subordinate to the coach and he suffered a loss as a result of a decision that wasn’t necessary. You’d have a far better argument if QB1 went out injured. Then I get it.

Should Justus Ross-Simmons get an extra year since it’s actually on the record that he wanted to redshirt and the coach said no?

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[HRE Otto IV]

Well that would be incorrect. But appreciate the assumption.

And if it’s so difficult to explain to someone that you don’t want to waste an entire year of their eligibility on unnecessary garbage time then you are a Meathead. If Day just lost track of the games played and mismanaged it, that’s one thing. If QB1 went down injured, fine. But to justify that type of usage because he was the QB2 on the depth chart - totally disagree with that.

Was it Day's job to do what is best for Kyle or what is best for Ohio State? What if you needed Kyle vs Michigan, or the B1G CG, or the CFB Playoffs? Isn't it better to have him play vs Michigan State in that case?

UGA is in the same situation right now. You need to prep your team for that season. Especially if you can recruit over a kid.

 

[tep624]

Was it Day's job to do what is best for Kyle or what is best for Ohio State? What if you needed Kyle vs Michigan, or the B1G CG, or the CFB Playoffs? Isn't it better to have him play vs Michigan State in that case?

UGA is in the same situation right now. You need to prep your team for that season. Especially if you can recruit over a kid.

Your last sentence pretty much sums it up. The kid is a commodity and it doesn’t matter if he suffers a loss as long as the team and the Coach succeed. Thats basically the mentality of justifying this usage to burn a redshirt.