McCord

[Fanalways]

Why would the team be thinking that?

Fran will have them ready.

 

[FrancoPizza]

I hope the team is not thinking that because that’s when you get beat.

Exactly. That’s the Stanford mentality.

 

[Red2003]

Fran will have them ready.

Yea he will. Remember a year ago after we got smoked in the Bowl he slept in the lobby with his son to see who was going out partying. Talk about changing the culture.

 

[AccuRater]

Most people don't remember. It's mostly for the best. But, Syracuse has been ahead in the game for a long time.

Bernie Custis

 

[PeteCalvin]

Most people don't remember. It's mostly for the best. But, Syracuse has been ahead in the game for a long time.

Some people still think Jim Brown won the Heisman when he played. Damn shame the sportswriters were racists at the time. Dick Schaap’s stories of that time period, and of Brown specifically, are gems of information. He really admired Jim Brown and said he was an even better lacrosse player than he was a football player. Brown was the first coming of the Gait brothers. It’s not often that one school can say they’ve had players that, quite literally, changed the game. Brown and the Gaits forced rule changes to the game because they were THAT dominant.

Schaap gave up his Heisman vote in protest of the travesty exacted on Jim Brown.

 

[djorange1989]

Some people still think Jim Brown won the Heisman when he played. Damn shame the sportswriters were racists at the time. Dick Schapp’s stories of that time period, and of Brown specifically, are gems of information. He really admired Jim Brown and said he was an even better lacrosse player than he was a football player. Brown was the first coming of the Gait brothers. It’s not often that one school can say they’ve had players that, quite literally, changed the game. Brown and the Gaits forced rule changes to the game because they were THAT dominant.

Schapp gave up his Heisman vote in protest of the travesty exacted on Jim Brown.

Not only was it a travesty that Brown lost, but Hornung won it on a 2-8 team. And, even taking into account the ancient offenses of that time, his numbers were a joke too. Add in Donnie getting robbed by Tim Brown and there should be three Heisman’s on display at SU

 

[sutomcat]

Not only was it a travesty that Brown lost, but Hornung won it on a 2-8 team. And, even taking into account the ancient offenses of that time, his numbers were a joke too. Add in Donnie getting robbed by Tim Brown and there should be three Heisman’s on display at SU

I think most people consider Horning the most undeserved winner of the Heisman.

Here is a typical article listing the most controversial winners. Paul is of course first. He threw for 13 interceptions and had 3 TD passes in 1956. Ran for 420 yards and 7 TDs.

My god.

So, which Heisman winners have the most controversial claims to the award? Our list:

Paul Hornung, QB, Notre Dame, 1956​

Hornung got a free pass to the Heisman in ‘56 because he was a quarterback at Notre Dame — even if the Irish went 2-8 that season. He threw for 917 yards and had more than four times as many interceptions (13) as touchdowns (three). Syracuse's Jim Brown, who rushed for more yards (986) and touchdowns (13), finished fifth in that same voting class.

Least-deserving Heisman winners of all time | Sporting News

www.sportingnews.com

 

[Bill Orange]

I think most people consider Horning the most undeserved winner of the Heisman.

Here is a typical article listing the most controversial winners. Paul is of course first. He threw for 13 interceptions and had 3 TD passes in 1956. Ran for 420 yards and 7 TDs.

My god.

So, which Heisman winners have the most controversial claims to the award? Our list:

Paul Hornung, QB, Notre Dame, 1956​

Hornung got a free pass to the Heisman in ‘56 because he was a quarterback at Notre Dame — even if the Irish went 2-8 that season. He threw for 917 yards and had more than four times as many interceptions (13) as touchdowns (three). Syracuse's Jim Brown, who rushed for more yards (986) and touchdowns (13), finished fifth in that same voting class.

Least-deserving Heisman winners of all time | Sporting News

www.sportingnews.com

The late and great Dick Schaap, after voting for Jim Brown, was so upset with Hornung getting the Heisman that he protested by never voting again until he opted for Marcus Allen in 1981.

 

[BigNastyJon]

I think most people consider Horning the most undeserved winner of the Heisman.

Here is a typical article listing the most controversial winners. Paul is of course first. He threw for 13 interceptions and had 3 TD passes in 1956. Ran for 420 yards and 7 TDs.

My god.

So, which Heisman winners have the most controversial claims to the award? Our list:

Paul Hornung, QB, Notre Dame, 1956​

Hornung got a free pass to the Heisman in ‘56 because he was a quarterback at Notre Dame — even if the Irish went 2-8 that season. He threw for 917 yards and had more than four times as many interceptions (13) as touchdowns (three). Syracuse's Jim Brown, who rushed for more yards (986) and touchdowns (13), finished fifth in that same voting class.

Least-deserving Heisman winners of all time | Sporting News

www.sportingnews.com

Wait a minute…the guy threw 13 picks and only 3 touchdowns on a 2-8 team and won the heisman? Are you fvcking kidding me?

 

[wfschrec]

Some people still think Jim Brown won the Heisman when he played. Damn shame the sportswriters were racists at the time. Dick Schapp’s stories of that time period, and of Brown specifically, are gems of information. He really admired Jim Brown and said he was an even better lacrosse player than he was a football player. Brown was the first coming of the Gait brothers. It’s not often that one school can say they’ve had players that, quite literally, changed the game. Brown and the Gaits forced rule changes to the game because they were THAT dominant.

Schapp gave up his Heisman vote in protest of the travesty exacted on Jim Brown.

What killed Brown was the Catholic vote in the Midwest. The Northeast and the South were the only regions Brown placed but the Catholic vote killed Brown's chances .. some argue it should have gone to Johnny Majors that year who was quite a demon on both sides of the ball but it should have been Browns trophy to lose. In the south region Brown finished top 5 and Hourning didn't ... racism wasn't the primary reason, did it contribute? Yes but the catholic vote of the midwest, southwest and far west carried him to the trophy.

 

[JuiceMeUp]

They are definitely waiting until Christmas morning to announce Kyle’s return and give us the best Xmas ever!! (I have zero inside info and am completely delusional)

 

[Toga]

Wait a minute…the guy threw 13 picks and only 3 touchdowns on a 2-8 team and won the heisman? Are you fvcking kidding me?

And later got suspended from the NFL for gambling.

 

[baggerbob]

And later got suspended from the NFL for gambling.

Along with Alex Karras

 

[MSOrange]

Along with Alex Karras

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Along with Alex Karras

 

[PeteCalvin]

What killed Brown was the Catholic vote in the Midwest. The Northeast and the South were the only regions Brown placed but the Catholic vote killed Brown's chances .. some argue it should have gone to Johnny Majors that year who was quite a demon on both sides of the ball but it should have been Browns trophy to lose. In the south region Brown finished top 5 and Hourning didn't ... racism wasn't the primary reason, did it contribute? Yes but the catholic vote of the midwest, southwest and far west carried him to the trophy.

Just like the Ty Detmer votes hurt Don McPherson and opened the door for Tim Brown. Gosh, even saying his name still hurts. SU got jobbed twice that season, by Pat Dye and the Heisman voters.

 

[Toga]

Just like the Ty Detmer votes hurt Don McPherson and opened the door for Tim Brown. Gosh, even saying his name still hurts. SU got jobbed twice that season, by Pat Dye and the Heisman voters.

The only time all purpose yards was a thing. I thought Gordie Lockbaum from Holy Cross cost him some Eastern votes.

 

[sutomcat]

The only time all purpose yards was a thing. I thought Gordie Lockbaum from Holy Cross cost him some Eastern votes.

Agree it was voters who voted for Lockbaum instead of McPherson that allowed the undeserving Brown to win a Heisman.

Back in those days, the writers from Sports illustrated were very influential. One of them decided this little guy who ran a 4.8 40 and could not start on any good college football team deserved the Heisman. He wrote a big story on Gordie, how wonderful he was and what a good old school throwback he was. He played both ways. Pretty sure it was Rick Reilly.

And some foolish people with Heisman votes bought it and wasted their votes on a guy not among the top 250 college football players:

Bottom line, a lot of idiots vote for the Heisman. It has been that way for a long long time.

 

[FloridaCuse]

NCAA agrees to waiver for JUCO players after Diego Pavia lawsuit injunction​

The second part of this article discusses the NCAA looking at giving every player 5 years to play in 5 years. KYLE!!! I hope they hurry with their decision.

NCAA agrees to waiver for JUCO players after Diego Pavia lawsuit injunction

There is also movement from college leaders to adjust the eligibility rule in a way that grants athletes five playing seasons in a five-year time span.

sports.yahoo.com

"In perhaps more important news, the NCAA could be barreling toward a more significant change to its eligibility rules, something the association suggested in its memo to schools Monday. The NCAA’s memo reminded schools that the Division I Council is exploring a “comprehensive” review of eligibility rules to create a framework that will be “sustainable and can withstand scrutiny,” the memo said.

"There is movement from college leaders to adjust the eligibility rule in a way that grants athletes five playing seasons in a five-year time span. Current NCAA rules permit athletes four playing seasons over a five-year stretch, often referred to as the association’s “five-year eligibility clock.”"

 

[Red2003]

So the NCAA was meeting today on their eligibility rules. JuCo related announcements but are they going to take a look at some of the higher profile rulings they need to make sooner rather than later?

I think the NCAA is going to spin Kyle coming back as a win for them. This isn't some old man trying to bend the rules at 25 years old. He's 22 and the #10 Heisman candidate with an awesome story. Maybe they announce it on Fox Friday.

Last post beat me to it

 

[Sdot]

FYI on the McCord decision I remember last year when Taulia Tagovailoa applied, the NCAA denied his request right after Christmas so I’d imagine we will find out within the next week.

 

[Red2003]

FYI on the McCord decision I remember last year when Taulia Tagovailoa applied, the NCAA denied his request right after Christmas so I’d imagine we will find out within the next week.

Yea thinking the same.

 

[baggerbob]

Agree it was voters who voted for Lockbaum instead of McPherson that allowed the undeserving Brown to win a Heisman.

Back in those days, the writers from Sports illustrated were very influential. One of them decided this little guy who ran a 4.8 40 and could not start on any good college football team deserved the Heisman. He wrote a big story on Gordie, how wonderful he was and what a good old school throwback he was. He played both ways. Pretty sure it was Rick Reilly.

And some foolish people with Heisman votes bought it and wasted their votes on a guy not among the top 250 college football players:

Bottom line, a lot of idiots vote for the Heisman. It has been that way for a long long time.

And Holy Cross wasn't playing major college football at the time, and no one there should have been included in the voting. They were lower then ivy league by that time.

 

[Red2003]

Chat GPT when I asked how many football players could be in Kyle’s situation.

50-200 out of 15K D1 football players.


The NCAA's Division I football eligibility rules allow players to participate in up to **four games** in a season without losing eligibility, as part of the redshirt rule. If a player appears in a **fifth game**, they generally lose eligibility for that season unless granted a special exemption (e.g., medical redshirt or other exceptions).

While there isn't a readily available, specific statistic for how many Division I football players lost eligibility by playing a fifth game, estimates suggest that the number is relatively low compared to the total number of players in D1 football. Most players, particularly those who are regular starters, are unlikely to lose eligibility by exceeding the four-game limit.

To give you a rough idea:

1. **Total players in D1 football**: There are roughly **15,000 to 17,000** players in NCAA Division I football across all FBS and FCS programs.
2. **Players losing eligibility**: Only a small fraction of those players would be at risk of losing eligibility due to playing a fifth game. Given that redshirting is common, and many teams are careful with player usage, the number of players who lose eligibility for this reason could be in the **hundreds**, but not in the thousands.

So, while exact numbers are hard to come by, the **approximate number** of D1 players losing eligibility due to playing a fifth game in a season might range from **50 to 200 players** annually, based on estimates and typical redshirt scenarios.

 

[PeteCalvin]

Agree it was voters who voted for Lockbaum instead of McPherson that allowed the undeserving Brown to win a Heisman.

Back in those days, the writers from Sports illustrated were very influential. One of them decided this little guy who ran a 4.8 40 and could not start on any good college football team deserved the Heisman. He wrote a big story on Gordie, how wonderful he was and what a good old school throwback he was. He played both ways. Pretty sure it was Rick Reilly.

And some foolish people with Heisman votes bought it and wasted their votes on a guy not among the top 250 college football players:

Bottom line, a lot of idiots vote for the Heisman. It has been that way for a long long time.

So was I wrong about Detmer? I thought he was the same year and took most of the west coast votes.

I totally forgot about the Holy Cross dude. What a crock!