McCord

[AngryOtto]

Yea thinking the same.

I feel the ncaa slow rolling the decision benefits an injunction being granted. Because of the draft there is no way the appeal will even be heard. If they would have decided early and denied the request he could have had the appeal hearing process underway. Not decided but at least moving forward.

 

[Red2003]

I feel the ncaa slow rolling the decision benefits an injunction being granted. Because of the draft there is no way the appeal will even be heard. If they would have decided early and denied the request he could have had the appeal hearing process underway. Not decided but at least moving forward.

Yea lawyering stuff. The NCAA has to be watching the clock. Let’s just say Syracuse says well we were ready to pay him 2-3 mil in NIL but you guys didn’t make a decision in time so he didn’t get paid. Then somehow he’s making less in the NFL undrafted or not picked up. Isn’t that more money he could sue the NCAA for.

I have no idea what I’m talking about but just poured a bourbon.

 

[UpstateSM]

Yea lawyering stuff. The NCAA has to be watching the clock. Let’s just say Syracuse says well we were ready to pay him 2-3 mil in NIL but you guys didn’t make a decision in time so he didn’t get paid. Then somehow he’s making less in the NFL undrafted or not picked up. Isn’t that more money he could sue the NCAA for.

I have no idea what I’m talking about but just poured a bourbon.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I think most people consider Horning the most undeserved winner of the Heisman.

Here is a typical article listing the most controversial winners. Paul is of course first. He threw for 13 interceptions and had 3 TD passes in 1956. Ran for 420 yards and 7 TDs.

My god.

So, which Heisman winners have the most controversial claims to the award? Our list:

Paul Hornung, QB, Notre Dame, 1956​

Hornung got a free pass to the Heisman in ‘56 because he was a quarterback at Notre Dame — even if the Irish went 2-8 that season. He threw for 917 yards and had more than four times as many interceptions (13) as touchdowns (three). Syracuse's Jim Brown, who rushed for more yards (986) and touchdowns (13), finished fifth in that same voting class.

Least-deserving Heisman winners of all time | Sporting News

www.sportingnews.com

I think ND's Tim Brown over Don McPherson was worse.

 

[FloridaCuse]

Yea lawyering stuff. The NCAA has to be watching the clock. Let’s just say Syracuse says well we were ready to pay him 2-3 mil in NIL but you guys didn’t make a decision in time so he didn’t get paid. Then somehow he’s making less in the NFL undrafted or not picked up. Isn’t that more money he could sue the NCAA for.

I have no idea what I’m talking about but just poured a bourbon.

I think the fact that the NCAA said pubically that they're considering it is a positive. How can they deny Kyle and a few months later change the rules. I wasn't before but I'm now optimistic. They'll either announce the rule change very soon or if they think they're going to do it eventually but aren't ready to announce it, find a flimsy excuse to grant Kyle's appeal or find a way to give him waiver. To not do that could invite a court case which they don't want.

 

[Red2003]

I think the fact that the NCAA said pubically that they're considering it is a positive. How can they deny Kyle and a few months later change the rules. I wasn't before but I'm now optimistic. They'll either announce the rule change very soon or if they think they're going to do it eventually but aren't ready to announce it, find a flimsy excuse to grant Kyle's appeal or find a way to give him waiver. To not do that could invite a court case which they don't want.

Honestly I became even more optimistic when McCallister, the Cuse radio guys and a lot of the media said it’s a 90% chance of the ncaa screwing us again, just because. These are guys that have been wrong a lot this year and don’t want to be wrong again so are just hedging their bets. They can’t stick their necks out. Now they can say see I said there’s a 10% chance and I reported it.

The silence from people that are closest is also damning. No one is gonna think twice if it leaks somewhere that Kyle is moving on, we’d have heard. The complete silence from the NCAA and insiders leads me to believe that this is a lot closer to reality than people want to say because no one wants to piss off the NCAA by talking about it.

It’s the holidays and first real playoff too right now also tho so who knows.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I think the fact that the NCAA said pubically that they're considering it is a positive. How can they deny Kyle and a few months later change the rules. I wasn't before but I'm now optimistic. They'll either announce the rule change very soon or if they think they're going to do it eventually but aren't ready to announce it, find a flimsy excuse to grant Kyle's appeal or find a way to give him waiver. To not do that could invite a court case which they don't want.

There was just a court ruling today that JUCO years basically "don't count" anymore.

NCAA makes big change to eligibility with former JUCO players

Some changes once again on JUCO eligibility.

www.aseaofblue.com

 

[UnknownOrange]

Between juco, 2500+ in the portal, a possible 5/5 approval, and the 105 schollies…what a time for roster management

 

[FloridaCuse]

There was just a court ruling today that JUCO years basically "don't count" anymore.

NCAA makes big change to eligibility with former JUCO players

Some changes once again on JUCO eligibility.

www.aseaofblue.com

It was an NCAA ruling giving all JUCO players an extra year based on a court decision they lost and are appealing. I posted about this move by the NCAA on the previous page of this thread in post #1,869. It was in a Yahoo article about this move by the NCAA where they also reported that the NCAA reminded folks they are considering significant changes to the eligibility rules which the article states is about allowing all players to play 5 years in 5 years. If so Kyle will playing at Cuse next year.

 

[bnoro]

Honestly I became even more optimistic when McCallister, the Cuse radio guys and a lot of the media said it’s a 90% chance of the ncaa screwing us again, just because. These are guys that have been wrong a lot this year and don’t want to be wrong again so are just hedging their bets. They can’t stick their necks out. Now they can say see I said there’s a 10% chance and I reported it.

The silence from people that are closest is also damning. No one is gonna think twice if it leaks somewhere that Kyle is moving on, we’d have heard. The complete silence from the NCAA and insiders leads me to believe that this is a lot closer to reality than people want to say because no one wants to piss off the NCAA by talking about it.

It’s the holidays and first real playoff too right now also tho so who knows.

Or, the complete silence is because nothing is happening, which is the most likely scenario.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

It was an NCAA ruling giving all JUCO players an extra year based on a court decision they lost and are appealing. I posted about this move by the NCAA on the previous page of this thread in post #1,869. It was in a Yahoo article about this move by the NCAA where they also reported that the NCAA reminded folks they are considering significant changes to the eligibility rules which the article states is about allowing all players to play 5 years in 5 years. If so Kyle will playing at Cuse next year.

The waiver applies to JUCO players who had expiring eligibility and just for next year only.

The waiver applies to SU players J’Onre Reed, Jakob Bradford and Mark Petry. It does not apply to safety Berry Buxton III, as the redshirt junior does not exhaust eligibility this year.

 

[Irt4su]

OSU is a JUCO school.

 

[vegasnick]

Since the 5 in 5 rule is looming- I believe that is part of the approach. Players who miss out on the 5 in 5 rule (to be implemented) and also the COVID year technically lose 2 years compared to other players. Couple that with juco players getting a fifth year immediately- that is the grounds to go after the NCAA. It costs players like Kyle developmental time and NIL. The ramifications of how draft status can be effected and drastic difference in combination of losing nil and settling for a lesser nfl contract (if any in some cases) can be a major loss financially.

The more that comes out, the more optimistic i am of Kyle being back.

 

[texascpa]

So, what if the NCAA is looking at this from the perspective of that they intend on going with 5 in 5 this summer and that any player that would have been eligible for it this winter ended up missing the 5th year opportunity solely based on the timing. In other words, if not for the delay in the decision, Kyle would have been eligible. Because they delayed, Kyle had no choice but to go in the draft or "retire", or at the very least miss Spring football.

Edit: I think vegasnick (above) and I are thinking the same thing.

 

[Red2003]

Since the 5 in 5 rule is looming- I believe that is part of the approach. Players who miss out on the 5 in 5 rule (to be implemented) and also the COVID year technically lose 2 years compared to other players. Couple that with juco players getting a fifth year immediately- that is the grounds to go after the NCAA. It costs players like Kyle developmental time and NIL. The ramifications of how draft status can be effected and drastic difference in combination of losing nil and settling for a lesser nfl contract (if any in some cases) can be a major loss financially.

The more that comes out, the more optimistic i am of Kyle being back.

You said this much better than I did. It's no longer a stretch for a lawyer with half a brain to determine determine what kind of losses wer're talking about now in Kyle's situation.

We know exactly what the NFL pays. We know (or can guess closely) what Duke just paid in NIL for a Tulane QB that is nowhere near what Kyle is. Easy math to show just how much monetary harm is being done.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

The NCAA will rule on the 5-for-5 proposal ... at their summer meetings in July.

It will take effect long after McCord is drawing an NFL paycheck.

 

[vegasnick]

The NCAA will rule on the 5-for-5 proposal ... at their summer meetings in July.

It will take effect long after McCord is drawing an NFL paycheck.

It’s already in process. The fact that the Juco players already received the extra year so quickly (that too was supposed to be determined in July) the ncaa can’t sit on things and cost a group of players to lose out. That will create a massive law suit that they don’t want.

 

[JRHEETER]

It’s already in process. The fact that the Juco players already received the extra year so quickly (that too was supposed to be determined in July) the ncaa can’t sit on things and cost a group of players to lose out. That will create a massive law suit that they don’t want.

I agree, If they’re going to do 5 for 5 they need to rule that before the NFL draft deadline in my personal opinion

 

[vegasnick]

I agree, If they’re going to do 5 for 5 they need to rule that before the NFL draft deadline in my personal opinion

Here’s how I see it. Just opinion and I could be totally wrong. I’d they wait til the summer to rule- there’s a group of seniors who lose out on the eligibility. That same group missed the Covid year by 1 season. They’ve already partially granted to the juco players. That group could bring a class action lawsuit against the NCAA which could cripple them. It would make sense to grant everyone a 5th year now and then put a more concrete ruling into effect during the summer meetings.

 

[Red2003]

Here’s how I see it. Just opinion and I could be totally wrong. I’d they wait til the summer to rule- there’s a group of seniors who lose out on the eligibility. That same group missed the Covid year by 1 season. They’ve already partially granted to the juco players. That group could bring a class action lawsuit against the NCAA which could cripple them. It would make sense to grant everyone a 5th year now and then put a more concrete ruling into effect during the summer meetings.

Even if the NCAA says no I hope McCord still sues the crap out of them on his way out. They just opened the door for a few thousand JuCo players. Theres' maybe a hundred players in Kyle's position with a burned redshirt due to one extra game, even fewer of them that would have any impact.

 

[Cappy3]

Even if the NCAA says no I hope McCord still sues the crap out of them on his way out. They just opened the door for a few thousand JuCo players. Theres' maybe a hundred players in Kyle's position with a burned redshirt due to one extra game, even fewer of them that would have any impact.

So they approve it for guys that played 5 games, then guess what. Guys who played 6 games would make the “one extra game” claim. Unless they actually do a 5/5, there has to be a limit, and there will always be guys just on the other side of that limit.

 

[orangefog]

So they approve it for guys that played 5 games, then guess what. Guys who played 6 games would make the “one extra game” claim. Unless they actually do a 5/5, there has to be a limit, and there will always be guys just on the other side of that limit.

The part I have a difficulty with is when they grant a second waiver to someone for a sixth year. And, the two years add up to 7 or 8 games. But, 5 in one year in garbage time is an absolute no. That doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[Red2003]

That's fair and the 5 / 5 is the future. I'm just talking simple #'s of players that fall into each bucket. We're talking thousands and thousands for Juco, that they just said we don't agree but we won't stop you.

If you tell me there are a thousand players out there that had a red shirt burned accidentally by a 5th or even 6th game I call BS. There's not many players in this category.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

It’s already in process. The fact that the Juco players already received the extra year so quickly (that too was supposed to be determined in July) the ncaa can’t sit on things and cost a group of players to lose out. That will create a massive law suit that they don’t want.

Wait, the JUCO thing is official already? When did that happen?

 

[Sdot]

Wait, the JUCO thing is official already? When did that happen?

Last night officially