McCord

[Red2003]

Would be tough for them to actually provide the real numbers of these deals to prove it.

Well the tax man doesn’t lie. He knows what he made this year and he knows what he’ll likely get for next year in the NCAA.

 

[bnoro]

Well the tax man doesn’t lie. He knows what he made this year and he knows what he’ll likely get for next year in the NCAA.

The two cases you just brought up are not verifiable. They are for 2025.

 

[bnoro]

Agreed but some have played devils advocate so adamantly that it makes me wonder.

I'd be as happy as anyone on this board if he comes back but the wacky scenarios people are inventing in their heads aren't reality based.

We know multiple facts:
-McCord's waiver was denied
-McCord appealed
-McCord played 5 games at OSU one season which means he has played 4 college seasons
-McCord can go to the NFL and get on a team and make money in 2025
-Last year, in the same situation, Taulia Tagavailoa's waiver was denied.
-The NCAA has never ruled favorably towards SU

I'm not trying to set myself up to be disappointed.

 

[Red2003]

I'd be as happy as anyone on this board if he comes back but the wacky scenarios people are inventing in their heads aren't reality based.

We know multiple facts:
-McCord's waiver was denied
-McCord appealed
-McCord played 5 games at OSU one season which means he has played 4 college seasons
-McCord can go to the NFL and get on a team and make money in 2025
-Last year, in the same situation, Taulia Tagavailoa's waiver was denied.
-The NCAA has never ruled favorably towards SU

I'm not trying to set myself up to be disappointed.

Taulia was denied for a 6th year. Also saying what the NCAA did a year or 2 or 5 years ago as a basis for what they will do today is actually the whacky scenario.

It’s posts like this that are really annoying. It’s like 3 facts mixed in with 3 opinions and then you’re like see I’m the one being realistic.

 

[upperdeck]

the Juco thing has been an issue they denied for 30 yrs as well. Lots of rulings make no sense. Some kids get 5-6-7-8-9 yrs . In theory you could play 4 10x and keep getting waivers in this new system.

Much easier to just flat out say 5 yrs and eliminate waivers completely.

 

[Qbobby]

I'd be as happy as anyone on this board if he comes back but the wacky scenarios people are inventing in their heads aren't reality based.

We know multiple facts:
-McCord's waiver was denied
-McCord appealed
-McCord played 5 games at OSU one season which means he has played 4 college seasons
-McCord can go to the NFL and get on a team and make money in 2025
-Last year, in the same situation, Taulia Tagavailoa's waiver was denied.
-The NCAA has never ruled favorably towards SU

I'm not trying to set myself up to be disappointed.

I am with you 100% on the last two. I actually think the only way the NCAA caves is the threat of litigation, which they seem to lose lately at an astonishing rate.

 

[Cappy3]

Sorry I got the lawsuit thing going.

Just to add and we know Kyle isn’t going to play anywhere else but the NIL market value for a top QB right now is in the millions. Mensah 4 mil and Mateer is at 2.7. McCord would be in that range or higher as the leagues top passer returning.

Cuse will get Kyle for much less than that but that’s not the point. The NCAA is costing him the 2-4 Mil for a lost season.

So should someone be able to remain eligible as long as he could make money? 6 years, 7, why not 10. There has to be some limit, and there will always be someone claiming to be screwed by that limit.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Taulia was denied for a 6th year. Also saying what the NCAA did a year or 2 or 5 years ago as a basis for what they will do today is actually the whacky scenario.

It’s posts like this that are really annoying. It’s like 3 facts mixed in with 3 opinions and then you’re like see I’m the one being realistic.

2020 did not count as an NCAA year. So he was applying for a 5th year.

Everything he listed was a fact. Just because you do not liek it does not make it so.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

At this point I think there is a better chance Kyle is here 3 more years than one more year.

 

[farnsworth]

Taulia was denied for a 6th year. Also saying what the NCAA did a year or 2 or 5 years ago as a basis for what they will do today is actually the whacky scenario.

It’s posts like this that are really annoying. It’s like 3 facts mixed in with 3 opinions and then you’re like see I’m the one being realistic.

2020 does not count. He had all the facts right. It's literally an identical situation, in fact Taulia took a lot less snaps in his 5th game than McCord did. Given the facts we know about Taulia had a slightly better case for getting an extra year than McCord does.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

the Juco thing has been an issue they denied for 30 yrs as well. Lots of rulings make no sense. Some kids get 5-6-7-8-9 yrs . In theory you could play 4 10x and keep getting waivers in this new system.

Much easier to just flat out say 5 yrs and eliminate waivers completely.

NCAA hasn’t technically lost yet on the JUCO thing, but there is more of an argument there given the nature of the competition at that level.

All the 6+ guys are based on covid waivers and medical redshirts. Neither are applicable to Kyle.

I continue to think if NCAA grants the appeal, it will be based on 5-5 looming. That’s not a great argument, but it does evoke fairness.

 

[OttosShoes]

-Last year, in the same situation, Taulia Tagavailoa's waiver was denied.

Taulia went undrafted and is in the CFL. Given the clear labor implications, I really don't think it's fair to say that Taulia's situation is no different while simultaneously acknowleding that Kyle will almost certainly get drafted.

Not to mention the massive antitrust settlement which happened after Taulia already declared.

I continue to think of NCAA grants the appeal, it will be based on 5-5 looming. That’s not a great argument, but it does evoke fairness.

FWIW, I do not expect they will grant the appeal, even though they probably should as a practical matter.

However, I do think there could be something pending that could force the issue. I mean, very likely we get some OL people back because of Pavia's result. Why wouldn't we get others back because of other results? I tried to find something specific and there appears to be more stuff pending than I can parse.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

2020 does not count. He had all the facts right. It's literally an identical situation, in fact Taulia took a lot less snaps in his 5th game than McCord did. Given the facts we know about Taulia had a slightly better case for getting an extra year than McCord does.

He also had two games where he did not record a stat. His claim was this caused Saban and staff to not realize that he had played in 4 games when they put him in for the 5th game. Kyle clearly played in 4 games prior to his 5th game.

 

[Red2003]

He also had two games where he did not record a stat. His claim was this caused Saban and staff to not realize that he had played in 4 games when they put him in for the 5th game. Kyle clearly played in 4 games prior to his 5th game.

Taulia played football games starting in 2019-2023. Thats 5 years. He asked for a 6th year. You are arguing NCAA rules.

I’m just Counting the years and I’m telling you Kyle played 4 years of football. Just because you don’t like it 5 years is not identical to 4.

 

[bnoro]

Taulia played football games starting in 2019-2023. Thats 5 years. He asked for a 6th year. You are arguing NCAA rules.

I’m just Counting the years and I’m telling you Kyle played 4 years of football. Just because you don’t like it 5 years is not identical to 4.

2020 did not count as a year of eligibility as some schools did not play football. I don't understand what you aren't getting about that.

 

[CusefanATL]

2020 did not count as a year of eligibility as some schools did not play football. I don't understand what you aren't getting about that.

They were granted an additional year. Not really not counting that year.

Division I Council extends eligibility for student-athletes impacted by COVID-19

The Division I Council on Monday voted to allow schools to provide spring-sport student-athletes an additional season of competition and an extension of their period

www.ncaa.org

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2020/3/30...or-student-athletes-impacted-by-covid-19.aspx

 

[Offthedome]

From Pro Football Network:

"Every NFL undrafted free agent is required to sign a three-year contract with league-minimum salaries in each season. Over the next three years, those salaries will be $795,000, $960,000, and $1.075 million."

Is that guaranteed money?

 

[CusefanATL]

Looks like that’s it.

 

[CuseBlood44]

Yeah the way the social media team has posted it looks bleak …

 

[XC Cuse]

Looks like that’s it.

They have Jonre Reed in the pic as well. So id take it with a grain of salt

 

[anomander]

seen more slants in this game then we did the whole Babers era

 

[OttosShoes]

I question if the social media team even knows as much as we do.

They work hard and are good at what they do. But what they do is promotion and marketing as opposed to sports journalism.

 

[bnoro]

I question if the social media team even knows as much as we do.

They work hard and are good at what they do. But what they do is promotion and marketing as opposed to sports journalism.

Social teams know what's going on, and what they can and cannot say.

Our social team (red bulls) had a list of players to use in promotional materials that were "safe" so they didn't have to worry about having to change them halfway through the year if we sold a player. They also had a list of 50/50 ones and ones that were most likely gone.

 

[OttosShoes]

Social teams know what's going on, and what they can and cannot say.

Our social team (red bulls) had a list of players to use in promotional materials that were "safe" so they didn't have to worry about having to change them halfway through the year if we sold a player. They also had a list of 50/50 ones and ones that were most likely gone.

Of course. But it’s not exactly a media embargo that Kyle is a senior out of elligibilty.

I doubt such a list would include any info about a pending appeal other than “no comment,” the line we’ve been hearing repeatedly.

 

[bnoro]

Of course. But it’s not exactly a media embargo that Kyle is a senior out of elligibilty.

I doubt such a list would include any info about a pending appeal other than “no comment,” the line we’ve been hearing repeatedly.

But it's also a bit much to say this board knows more than the staff knows.