McCord

[Shrmdougluvr]

The JUCO wasn’t the level of competition. It was the inconsistent (arbitrary) way they treated post high school, pre-four year school, competition. Prep school didn’t count. Junior hockey didn’t count. Pro sports (Chris Weinke) didn’t count. Why should JUCO?

I understand that. The answer could be because they are colleges where kids earn credits transferable to bachelor or higher degree bearing institutions. Rules were initially made to manage kids seeking college degrees. “Student athletes.”

The “level of competition” reference I am making is that the JUCO Pavia went to often completed with prep schools, high schools, etc, so there is, as you note, inconsistency in treatment there. That actually makes sense to me.

I wonder if the NCAA would have caved as quickly if Pavia attended one of the Juco’s in Kansas or Mississippi?

 

[David321]

You really think so? If you watched Hard Knocks offseason with Giants when Dabol was interviewing Harrison Jr they were both kind of making diggs at Kyle and his level of play. Now I understand, last years Kyle isnt this years Kyle, Im just saying.

Dabol is one to talk.

 

[Libero2]

You really think so? If you watched Hard Knocks offseason with Giants when Dabol was interviewing Harrison Jr they were both kind of making diggs at Kyle and his level of play. Now I understand, last years Kyle isnt this years Kyle, Im just saying.

NFL teams do stuff like that all the time. Last off seasons Giants didn’t care a lick about McCord. They do care about if Marvin is going to take the bait and throw his QB under the bus though. It’s a test to see if MHJ is going to stick by his guy or not. Everything matters in those interviews and teams will try to glean any little bit of info they can about a dudes character. Remember a few years back the Dolphins asking about some WRs mom (Dez Bryant maybe?) being a hooker or stripper or something? They wanted to elicit a reaction so they could judge it and use it to make determinations about his character. Rightly or wrongly it’s a practice that NFL teams use.

Doesn’t mean they believe McCord is trash, or that he’s secretly good. I just wouldn’t look at that as a great indictment of a guy they weren’t even evaluating as part of last years draft. And of course you could also say, that the Giants aren’t exactly the pinnacle of the sport right now.

 

[GoSU96]

He also might be a 4th/5th rounder if he comes out this year. He'd tear up workouts and interviews.

It's funny how we all talk about him as the "Best SU QB ever" but don't think he's going to get drafted.

That’s what I said, thanks for repeating my point.

 

[Scott11]

I honestly dont see a big difference between Mac Jones and Kyle McCord.

As a Patriots fan and a Cuse fan, I’ve thought this many times. In fact, I would argue that argue at McCord has a better arm and is tougher with a better attitude. The Patriots also drafted Bailey Zappe in the fourth round and there is no argument that kid is better than McCord. Spencer Rattler went in the fifth round this year.
in 2023 Will Levis went in the second round and Herndon Hooker went in the third round. Jake Haener, drunk Stetson Bennett and Aiden O’Connell (who was great in that memorable win for us versus Purdue) went in the fourth.
I recognize that the NFL is incredibly difficult to draft from your couch. But unless teams are infatuated with having a mobile quarterback, I can’t see any argument for McCord not being at worse a fourth round pick.

 

[Cusefan0307]

As a Patriots fan and a Cuse fan, I’ve thought this many times. In fact, I would argue that argue at McCord has a better arm and is tougher with a better attitude. The Patriots also drafted Bailey Zappe in the fourth round and there is no argument that kid is better than McCord. Spencer Rattler went in the fifth round this year.
in 2023 Will Levis went in the second round and Herndon Hooker went in the third round. Jake Haener, drunk Stetson Bennett and Aiden O’Connell (who was great in that memorable win for us versus Purdue) went in the fourth.
I recognize that the NFL is incredibly difficult to draft from your couch. But unless teams are infatuated with having a mobile quarterback, I can’t see any argument for McCord not being at worse a fourth round pick.

Lots of politics with that position in the NFL. Take a look at Tim Boyle.

 

[orangenauburn]

Lots of politics with that position in the NFL. Take a look at Tim Boyle.

He sucked at UConn and was average to below average at FCS.

No clue how he made.a roster and then has remained in the league for so long

 

[DomeHolmes]

McCord down the stretch. Bowl game, Miami, Uconn

435 ypg!

198 Qb rating. (21 points higher than final national leader Sanders at 177)

74% completion.

amazing.

 

[bnoro]

McNabb was the best SU QB ever.

That's why I put it in quotes.

 

[Jake]

SU caught lightening in a bottle with McCord, and he had some better
than average pieces to work with. I would equate his situation with
Melo's. He has to leave while he's a hot commodity.

With a much more difficult schedule next year, things might be more
challenging. It will be interesting to see if the program has been elevated to a higher level, or if this year was an anomaly. In any
case, it was fun year for a frustrated fan base.

There’s a huge difference between the two decisions to leave school and it is the following. Melo was getting guaranteed money and a huge endorsement deal (for that era).

People are forgetting one really important piece of information…Kyle has to make a roster to get paid. so it doesn’t matter how weak the qb draft is, he’s not going 1st or second round….he’s going to have to displace someone currently on a roster. His competition isn’t another college QB…it’s a current NFL QB. That doesn’t change no matter what year he comes out.

He gets guaranteed money if he gets a festivus miracle ruling from the NCAA. It’s the best financial decision for him to get paid NOW.

I agree 10000% that we caught lightning in a bottle like Melo. We’re going to be thrilled if we go 6-6 next year without Kyle into that gauntlet.

Elijah should be calling the NCAA every day, McCord made up for a hideous defense. Next year could get ugly for Mr. Robinson unless dramatic improvements are made.

 

[Archimedes]

If Kyle goes to the League, I hope he lands in Minnesota. O'Connell is a great HC for him. Come in as QB3 with JJ McCarthy as QB1. Maybe Kyle beats him out in 2 or 3 years. They have a good OL, balanced attack and super receivers. Better to go to Minny as a UFA than one of the NYC teams in the 5th round.

 

[kirbivore]

If Kyle goes to the League, I hope he lands in Minnesota. O'Connell would be a great HC for him. Come in as QB3 with JJ McCarthy as QB1. Maybe Kyle beats him out in 2 or 3 years. They have a good OL, balanced attack and super receivers. That's the ideal landing spot.

He can beat out Daniel Jones.

 

[GoSU96]

If Kyle goes to the League, I hope he lands in Minnesota. O'Connell would be a great HC for him. Come in as QB3 with JJ McCarthy as QB1. Maybe Kyle beats him out in 2 or 3 years. They have a good OL, balanced attack and super receivers. That's the ideal landing spot.

Detroit just signed Teddy Bridgewater off the sidelines. It’s a great fit for McCord

 

[Archimedes]

Detroit just signed Teddy Bridgewater off the sidelines. It’s great fit.

That guy's still around? Wow.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

He can beat out Daniel Jones.

Bert Jones could beat out Daniel Jones. And he's 73.

 

[Irishsecra1]

I think, barring injury, that Kyle will have a long career in the NFL.
He just needs a situation where he is given a little time to grow into a very Good NFL quarterback.
He isn’t our greatest SU quarterback ever, that will always be for me Donovan, then Donnie Mac.
But he could be our greatest NFL quarterback ever to come from SU.
He reminds me so much of a young Tom Brady.
Incredible mind that will soak up offensive and defensive schemes so that he will always know where to put the ball, not the fleetest of feet but can get those yards when needed, can throw the ball where his receiver will always have a chance to fight for it, hard tireless worker, leads by example, not afraid of pressure.
And unlike Donovan, I don’t think he will let off the field issues cut short his career.
Tom Brady was a drafting afterthought, not high on anyone’s board but became one of the biggest NFL stars of all time.
There is no reason why, with a little luck, Kyle could end up becoming a very good NFL quarterback.
If the New England quarterback hadn’t gone down, who knows how long Brady would have been waiting for his chance

 

[bnoro]

There is a chance that Kyle could do irreparable harm to his pro prospects coming back next season too with the schedule we play. I think he will end up going through the evaluation process regardless of what happens on the waiver appeal, and if he gets a high enough grade he'll be gone.

The odds of him playing himself into a first/second round pick next year are lower than him playing himself into a UFDA deal.

 

[Cuse House]

Elijah should be calling the NCAA every day, McCord made up for a hideous defense. Next year could get ugly for Mr. Robinson unless dramatic improvements are made.

This is largely my concern, how do we sustain success? We had a fantastic season and I’m grateful for it. With that being said, this morning I started looking towards next season and as of right now 6 wins would be great without McCord. After winning 10 games in 2018 we came out and went 5-7 in 2019. We have to keep the momentum going to build this thing up. I don’t love the fact we seem not to be going portal heavy because I don’t see the pieces to be competitive on defense especially with our schedule. Depending on who comes back offensively we should be solid again on that side of the ball. Would just hate to see us nose dive next year.

 

[Red2003]

McCord would be a God at Syracuse if he came back. End of day he’s still 22 and was only on the Hill a year.

We can probably guess that his first 2 years at Ohio State he was just a rookie and then his 3rd year they ran him out of town so not the best college experience there.

He may just want another year of college life. The league will always be there. Being King of the Hill and the best QB in college football next year is something that most people will never experience and may be tough to pass up.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

This is largely my concern, how do we sustain success? We had a fantastic season and I’m grateful for it. With that being said, this morning I started looking towards next season and as of right now 6 wins would be great without McCord. After winning 10 games in 2018 we came out and went 5-7 in 2019. We have to keep the momentum going to build this thing up. I don’t love the fact we seem not to be going portal heavy because I don’t see the pieces to be competitive on defense especially with our schedule. Depending on who comes back offensively we should be solid again on that side of the ball. Would just hate to see us nose dive next year.

I absolutely hate how passive our D is. That needs to change.

In FBS games we are currently tied for 120th in Completion % D. We have allowed the opposing QB to sit back and pick us apart all year long.

Here is our opponent Completion % ranks. How does that even make sense that we were 120th out of 134? Seven of the 12 teams couldn't pass the football.


14th Miami
15th Cal
18th Pitt
36th GA Tech
36th Washington State
70th NC State
78th Ohio
85th Stanford
96th VA Tech
97th UConn
114th BC
116th UNLV

 

[Cuse House]

I absolutely hate how passive our D is. That needs to change.

In FBS games we are currently tied for 120th in Completion % D. We have allowed the opposing QB to sit back and pick us apart all year long.

Here is our opponent Completion % ranks. How does that even make sense that we were 120th out of 134? Seven of the 12 teams couldn't pass the football.


14th Miami
15th Cal
18th Pitt
36th GA Tech
36th Washington State
70th NC State
78th Ohio
85th Stanford
96th VA Tech
97th UConn
114th BC
116th UNLV

Biggest gripe all year long by myself and many on this board. 3rd downs we seemed allergic to pressure. I can only recall a handful of timely blitzes and they usually involved Devin Grant from the safety position. We don’t have the athletes at CB yet to give a qb 4-5 seconds with a clean pocket. If our offense was average this year we win 5 games.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Biggest gripe all year long by myself and many on this board. 3rd downs we seemed allergic to pressure. I can only recall a handful of timely blitzes and they usually involved Devin Grant from the safety position. We don’t have the athletes at CB yet to give a qb 4-5 seconds with a clean pocket. If our offense was average this year we win 5 games.

We also don’t have the athletes to put them on an island to get picked apart. I think it’s probably 50/50 to blitz or not blitz. I’m hoping with more speed we might pressure more.

 

[Cuse House]

We also don’t have the athletes to put them on an island to get picked apart. I think it’s probably 50/50 to blitz or not blitz. I’m hoping with more speed we might pressure more.

True, but blitzing causes mistakes. We got picked apart anyway, why not throw some wrinkles in? Maybe cause a few extra turnovers or sacks throughout the season which are huge momentum plays. Watching us drop 8 while still having guys wide open is the concern. We had the athletes at the LB position and edges this year to be effective with pressure but we didn’t even give it a try.

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

Surely he goes ahead of Carson Beck right?

 

[FRANKIEFAN]

I absolutely hate how passive our D is. That needs to change.

In FBS games we are currently tied for 120th in Completion % D. We have allowed the opposing QB to sit back and pick us apart all year long.

Here is our opponent Completion % ranks. How does that even make sense that we were 120th out of 134? Seven of the 12 teams couldn't pass the football.


14th Miami
15th Cal
18th Pitt
36th GA Tech
36th Washington State
70th NC State
78th Ohio
85th Stanford
96th VA Tech
97th UConn
114th BC
116th UNLV

It was Dinos D they had their moments good and bad. We aren't Georgia I'm happy with the overall effort tbh.