McDonald/Hunt adj yards per attempt compared to prior years

[Millhouse]

We're 95th in the country in passer rating. We were 114th in Gerg's last year. For all the progress we've made elsewhere, this is weak. But I'm supposed to believe that McDonald has potential.

2009 57th
2010 78th
2011 57th
2012 37th
2013 109th
2014 95th


If you don't like passer rating, lets use adj yards per attempt (translates TDs and Ints into yards)
(this is by qb, not team)
2014 80th
2013 112th
2012 33rd
2011 74th
2010 67th
2009 97th
2008 91st
2007 34th
2006 60th
2005 111th
2004 98th
2003 71st
2002 80th

Average of 2014 and 2013 is 96th.

If you go back and take two year averages, in this giant offensive sh!tshow we've endured since 2001, we've only had 1 two year stretch with a worse average ranking in adj yards per attempt and one of those years was a Pasqualoni year.

Not even combos of Pariani, White, Browning, Spence, and whoever the else we've had there had a two year stretch like this throwing the ball

We are NOWHERE with our passing game. What has George McDonald done to make the passing game any different? Am I supposed to believe that his phantom recruiting prowess has a good passer in the wings?

People say they see some sort of vision or direction for the offense. What is that vision? Sideways passes and scrambles? There is more to throwing the ball than having 4 receivers and shotgun snaps. It's a decent start but we should expect more than that.

 

[sufandu]

I could do without the handoffs to AAM while he's moving parallel to the line of scrimmage too. :bang:

 

[cuseincincy]

We're 95th in the country in passer rating. We were 114th in Gerg's last year. For all the progress we've made else where, this is weak. But I'm supposed to believe that McDonald has potential.

2009 57th
2010 78th
2011 57th
2012 37th
2013 109th
2014 95th


If you don't like passer rating, lets use adj yards per attempt (translates TDs and Ints into yards)
(this is by qb, not team)
2014 80th
2013 112th
2012 33rd
2011 74th
2010 67th
2009 97th
2008 91st
2007 34th
2006 60th
2005 111th
2004 98th
2003 71st
2002 80th

Average of 2014 and 2013 is 96th.

If you go back and take two year averages, in this giant offensive sh!tshow we've endured since 2001, we've only had 1 two year stretch with a worse average ranking in adj yards per attempt and one of those years was a Pasqualoni year.

Not even combos of Pariani, White, Browning, Spence, and whoever the else we've had there had a two year stretch like this throwing the ball

We are NOWHERE with our passing game. What has George McDonald done to make the passing game any different? Am I supposed to believe that his phantom recruiting prowess has a good passer in the wings?

People say they see some sort of vision or direction for the offense. What is that vision? Sideways passes and scrambles? There is more to throwing the ball than having 4 receivers and shotgun snaps. It's a decent start but we should expect more than that.

Well Millhouse. This is not going to be popular but 2012 is really the only year we had a bonafide QB (remember many were still hoping for better during Nassib's junior year). 2007 is an anomaly because the team went 2-10 with a QB that showed a lot of potential and then was replaced by a less than pedestrian QB the following year. 2007 we also had an NFL WR, NFL TB and an NFL LB also playing TB. Very weird year. Simply put we do not have a QB. For every nice pass there are 3-4 What passes.

 

[SmilinBob]

Late in recruiting for qb when HCSS got the job and signed a high quality qb from Florida when he had time to recruit. As for his offense I am more than willing to see how this develops.

 

[PhatOrange]

I could do without the handoffs to AAM while he's moving parallel to the line of scrimmage too. :bang:

yes this drives me crazy to. Who in their right mind has a 240lb back running east/west. he's not jerome bettis.

 

[PhatOrange]

and of course, the most promising freshman QB we've signed in a looong time decides he wants to go back home.

 

[Millhouse]

Well Millhouse. This is not going to be popular but 2012 is really the only year we had a bonafide QB (remember many were still hoping for better during Nassib's junior year). 2007 is an anomaly because the team went 2-10 with a QB that showed a lot of potential and then was replaced by a less than pedestrian QB the following year. 2007 we also had an NFL WR, NFL TB and an NFL LB also playing TB. Very weird year. Simply put we do not have a QB. For every nice pass there are 3-4 What passes.

Oh I remember. And if I ever forgot, i could rely on the gaggle of shrieking ninnies here to remind me how spectacular he turned out

Somehow teams with less $ and tradition than Syracuse manage to be good at throwing the ball most years. we keep putting in meatheads and knuckleheads at OC thinking we can recruit our way out of this offensive mess. someday we might try an offensive coordinator who actually knows what he's doing running a college offense. it shouldn't take so damn long to develop competent passers

 

[Full_Rebar]

Hopefully the ACC money will allow the HC to be able to spend some $ to find a good OC instead of having to give guys their 1st shot at running an offense.

 

[TheCusian]

We're 95th in the country in passer rating. We were 114th in Gerg's last year. For all the progress we've made else where, this is weak. But I'm supposed to believe that McDonald has potential.

2009 57th
2010 78th
2011 57th
2012 37th
2013 109th
2014 95th


If you don't like passer rating, lets use adj yards per attempt (translates TDs and Ints into yards)
(this is by qb, not team)
2014 80th
2013 112th
2012 33rd
2011 74th
2010 67th
2009 97th
2008 91st
2007 34th
2006 60th
2005 111th
2004 98th
2003 71st
2002 80th

Average of 2014 and 2013 is 96th.

If you go back and take two year averages, in this giant offensive sh!tshow we've endured since 2001, we've only had 1 two year stretch with a worse average ranking in adj yards per attempt and one of those years was a Pasqualoni year.

Not even combos of Pariani, White, Browning, Spence, and whoever the else we've had there had a two year stretch like this throwing the ball

We are NOWHERE with our passing game. What has George McDonald done to make the passing game any different? Am I supposed to believe that his phantom recruiting prowess has a good passer in the wings?

People say they see some sort of vision or direction for the offense. What is that vision? Sideways passes and scrambles? There is more to throwing the ball than having 4 receivers and shotgun snaps. It's a decent start but we should expect more than that.

There is no denying the passing inefficiencies. McDonald is clearly struggling (though - I think his recruits are still some of the best we've added in a long time - Ish and Custis are going to be very good - they are just young). Hunt is not the most accurate thrower. And we know you have a thing for high-octane passing games (often times in lieu of other stats and efficiencies).

It needs to get better, very very soon. No excuses for McDonald.

All that being said: If you can generate the yards we do, protect the QB like we do, run like we do (with Hunt and RB's) and don't turn the ball over more than your opponent - you should be competent enough to win vs peer schools. Which I think we will (barring injury). Those stats matter and are winning FB numbers. As much as passing stats have been gaining in importance - there are positives if you care to look.

 

[Millhouse]

There is no denying the passing inefficiencies. McDonald is clearly struggling (though - I think his recruits are still some of the best we've added in a long time - Ish and Custis are going to be very good - they are just young). Hunt is not the most accurate thrower. And we know you have a thing for high-octane passing games (often times in lieu of other stats and efficiencies).

It needs to get better, very very soon. No excuses for McDonald.

All that being said: If you can generate the yards we do, protect the QB like we do, run like we do (with Hunt and RB's) and don't turn the ball over more than your opponent - you should be competent enough to win vs peer schools. Which I think we will (barring injury). Those stats matter and are winning FB numbers. As much as passing stats have been gaining in importance - there are positives if you care to look.

I don't care as much about high octane passing games as you think. I think people get goofed up just looking at yards or yards per game. What I want is an efficient passing game. Good passer rating, good yards per attempt. The best offenses roll up yards doing both. Oregon, FSU, Baylor are the most extreme examples. I know, I know.

Good offenses read the defense and run/pass accordingly. We just pretend to do that

I'd like to see SU try a spread offensive coordinator from a smaller school that has a proven track record. Waiting around for recruits just never happens. give me a guy who can make chicken salad. McDonald has the right formations superficially but he has proven himself to be dumber than a bag of hammers

 

[RF2044]

I don't care as much about high octane passing games as you think. I think people get goofed up just looking at yards or yards per game. What I want is an efficient passing game. Good passer rating, good yards per attempt. The best offenses roll up yards doing both. Oregon, FSU, Baylor are the most extreme examples. I know, I know.

Good offenses read the defense and run/pass accordingly. We just pretend to do that

I'd like to see SU try a spread offensive coordinator from a smaller school that has a proven track record. Waiting around for recruits just never happens. give me a guy who can make chicken salad. McDonald has the right formations superficially but he has proven himself to be dumber than a bag of hammers

I don't think you'd say that if you'd ever had the opportunity to meet George McDonald. You might disagree with his offensive philosophy--and clearly you do--but this was truly a dumb comment on your part.

 

[Millhouse]

I don't think you'd say that if you'd ever had the opportunity to meet George McDonald. You might disagree with his offensive philosophy--and clearly you do--but this was truly a dumb comment on your part.

the smart guy gets into it on twitter with random people. decides he wants to go 90 yards in about 20 seconds against CMU

 

[RF2044]

the smart guy gets into it on twitter with random people. decides he wants to go 90 yards in about 20 seconds against CMU

I guess that justifies your dumb comment, then.

Seriously, do you ever have anything positive to say about any member of our coaching staff? Going back to the 90s, when I first started posting, all you do is complain about the coaches.

But he's a "meathead," right? So automatically he's dumber than a bag of hammers.

 

[Millhouse]

we have had a lot of stupid coaches, yes. I would like to change that.

George McDonald‏@CoachGMcDonald
Every rose has it's throne...

 

[RF2044]

Millhouse, I know you're a die hard fan of the 'Cuse. And you know that I'm a fan of yours. It's just that this broken record commentary gets really tired. You've taken beating a dead horse to the extreme.

 

[Millhouse]

Millhouse, I know you're a die hard fan of the 'Cuse. And you know that I'm a fan of yours. It's just that this broken record commentary gets really tired. You've taken beating a dead horse to the extreme.

it's hardly a dead horse to point out that mcdonald's adj YPA is worse than any 2 years of Gergs. i doubt you would've guessed that

 

[SWC75]

We have run and then throw deep personnel and we're running a throw short and make 'em miss offense. That's the problem.

 

[RF2044]

it's hardly a dead horse to point out that mcdonald's adj YPA is worse than any 2 years of Gergs. i doubt you would've guessed that

Your constant hammering of every coach since '95 is, though.

I don't know--maybe I'm the only who's weary of it. Or maybe I've just got a shorter fuse after Saturday's loss, and the ensuing meltdown on the forum.

 

[TheCusian]

it's hardly a dead horse to point out that mcdonald's adj YPA is worse than any 2 years of Gergs. i doubt you would've guessed that

You convinced me on everything - I agree. Except for the shot on McDonalds intelligence. Poor form.

"He makes poor calls" or "Doesn't understand what he's trying to do" is much different than "He is dumb"...

 

[Millhouse]

You convinced me on everything - I agree. Except for the shot on McDonalds intelligence. Poor form.

"He makes poor calls" or "Doesn't understand what he's trying to do" is much different than "He is dumb"...

half the board thinks he's an idiot

 

[TheCusian]

half the board thinks he's an idiot

I think you say stupid things - and don't think you're a moron. Just say he's not good at his job - leave the personal attacks home. You're undermining a good OP with needless attacks.

 

[RF2044]

half the board thinks he's an idiot

No, half the board might think he's a bad coach, but you're the one pounding this particular drum.

And if you'd ever had the chance to meet or converse with McDonald, I seriously doubt you'd have the same opinion. In fact, I'm quite certain you would not.

 

[OttoMets]

we have had a lot of stupid coaches, yes. I would like to change that.

George McDonald‏@CoachGMcDonald
Every rose has it's throne...

Two errors in a five-word tweet...quite an achievement.

 

[SUFan44]

Hunt isn't as bad as many of you make him out to be.

Some of the throws against ND were very good, especially three of the four deep ones (which were completed into coverage that was pretty to very good).

He may not be an NFL guy, but he's a much more effective college QB than given credit for.

McDonald, however, has shown me enough to know that he isn't very good without elite talent. And anyone would be good with elite talent - hell, I could probably call plays based on my years of video game playing to run an offense that scores points with Oregon's players.

Agree with Millhouse - good coaches create offenses that play to the strengths of the personnel you are given. He is trying to fit square pegs in round holes and failing miserably.

 

[RF2044]

Of course no one here (I hope) would have the poor taste to say that to McDonald.

But there's some evidence out there that suggests that the guy isn't very bright. This is certainly part of the reason I'm so impatient with him; bright and humble people might get a pass while working through struggles, but that grace period goes out the window for impulsive people who represent themselves poorly in public.

No offense, but that is absurd. There most assuredly is NOT evidence that the guy isn't very bright, because in actuality he's a very intelligent, articulate man. I challenge you to go speak to the man, or even watch video of one of his interviews, and then decide for yourself.

You might not like his coaching philosophy, or how he uses twitter. Those things don't equate to "the guy isn't very bright."

Sorry, but they don't. And it is borderine ridiculous to suggest otherwise.